Another guy with the infamous ON3 question

mrsn95guy · Oct 18, 2015

Ok guys so I have been searching on this until my fingers have started bleeding. This on3 thing has me spinning, I am looking at links or maybe feedback that have installed this kit within the last year or year and half.
The reasoning behind this is I would like to see the latest revisions or updates, I know the guy is extremely rude on the phone but I am used to AT&T customer service.
I see on the turbo forums they seem to bash him and people thinking of doing the kit.
The reason im asking is because B&G is 10 weeks behind and the kit is 2800, I've priced on3 with a magnum turbo and tial WG and I will come in roughly 2500. I have seen some good stories and some horror, is this the way this kit works, I rolled the dice with a 6.0 powerstroke and its pretty good so far.
As far as I know B&G nor ON3 is a sponser on here and I truly want unbiased reviews.

evilcw311 · Oct 19, 2015

B&G makes quality kits. For the price difference you'd be best going with them.

Winter will be here soon enough and 10 weeks puts getting kit early December and bolted on and tuneable by spring.

Unless you just absolutely have to have your kit now then go on3 for only a lil less money but then not truly knowing if you will be one of the unlucky who will spend tons of time trying to make it work.

Good luck!!! If it makes any difference to you my b&g hotside bolted on to my 302 like it was factory.

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ttocs · Oct 19, 2015

I wanted a turbo just as much to be different as well as for the ability for it to grow. I looked into the on3 kits for a long time and probably heard the same things everyone does about bad v-band clamps and sometimes the plumbing. My decision was made later on when I realized that the superchargers are just too tried tested to be ignored when I found one used for much much less then new.

We had one guy on here do their kit. Build a nice block, took the time to get it together and I think it ran for maybe a month before it grenade itself. He claimed that it was everything from bad gas causing it to lord knows what else.

Good/cheap/fast - pick 2

8BangerStangs · Oct 19, 2015

I am no expert on the matter, having said that, I would like to hop up my 97 ride and if I bought any kit....a lot can be said that it's only as good as the mechanic that installs it. MHO

ttocs · Oct 19, 2015

don't forget the mechanic could make it perfect and the tuner still blow it up.

evilcw311 · Oct 19, 2015

Same can happen with a supercharger as well tho.

Biggest thing is to just be educated getting involved with any big power adder

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Wichers123 · Oct 19, 2015

Also depending what you have, there are other options. Cx racing makes good quality kits for a good price. Their fitment is on point. They make good push rod stuff no mod stuff.

96blak54 · Oct 19, 2015

http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=141

I know nothing about turbo installs. A friend swears by Hellion. $7000.....ouch

Addermk2 · Oct 19, 2015

If you buy an On3 turbo kit, don't bother with any of their "upgrades".

Put the kit on, get it running... and tweak whatever needs to be tweaked. Once its all together and running well, THEN you upgrade parts like the turbo and wastegate.

Also, same goes for the engine. Don't try being Mr. Coolguy and go for the gold right off the bat. just install the kit on your current engine and get it tuned. Once youve got it sorted, youll have a more reliable base to swap in a "built" engine.

My own car is running a junkyard shortblock. Why? If I break it, I dont really care!

What would you rather do? Break a $500 shortblock, or a $6500 forged super whizbang build, because you accidentally had your wastegate hose routed wrong...

Make it work, then upgrade.

Wichers123 · Oct 19, 2015

Truth what this fella says

torch318 · Oct 19, 2015

If you can weld just build your own kit some guys say you can build a kit and use top notch components and be in the $3500 range for a total cost or you can buy an on3 kit upgrade the components and be close to cost of the Hellion.

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Addermk2 · Oct 19, 2015

torch318 said:
If you can weld just build your own kit some guys say you can build a kit and use top notch components and be in the $3500 range for a total cost or you can buy an on3 kit upgrade the components and be close to cost of the Hellion.

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Lol... what?

I bought my On3 kit for $1450. And upgraded my turbo to a PTE 74 GTS for $700.

How is that anywhere near the cost of a hellion kit?

97stanger · Oct 19, 2015

You get what you pay for. I personally wouldn't try to save money on a power adder setup.

torch318 · Oct 19, 2015

Addermk2 said:
Lol... what?

I bought my On3 kit for $1450. And upgraded my turbo to a PTE 74 GTS for $700.

How is that anywhere near the cost of a hellion kit?

I'm not a turbo guy so I wouldn't know, that was just what a different groups thoughts were on the on3 kit. Also if he can't weld or has no clue how a turbo kit gets routed he probably wouldn't want to diy it anyways.

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Wichers123 · Oct 19, 2015

I have about 2000 in my kit and that's with a2w intercooler. My hot side is only 300 bucks in metal. All mandrel bends and heavy 14 gauge piping. And it's ran my way.

Addermk2 · Oct 19, 2015

torch318 said:
I'm not a turbo guy so I wouldn't know

That's what I figured... but it still leads to question why you're giving advice on a topic you know nothing about.

torch318 · Oct 19, 2015

Addermk2 said:
That's what I figured... but it still leads to question why you're giving advice on a topic you know nothing about.

Because no one mentioned the build your own kit option so I just threw it out there, you seem to be the only that has a problem with that.

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mrsn95guy · Oct 19, 2015

Sorry guys I do HVAC and the season is smacking me in the face lol, I think all of you for your replies. I have no welding experience what so ever and the one time I done it I became best friends with a slag hammer and a grinder (hate grinders thanks to training for a job).
My plan was originally do a B&G but I am in the mindset that I have a junk yard motor any way and I will probably get all giggity and shoot it to the moon any way. I am not cheap in the sense of doing something right but I am very nervous about jumping in to a DIY kit and getting frustrated and eventually giving up on the build.
I really am at a cross roads because this is something that is very new to me and to be honest its pretty over whelming, I have a very good tuner ive been speaking to (fastlane in benson NC).
out of the three cheap/fast/reliable I choose cheap and fast because I have a work van and a powerstoker to take the lady for dinner dates. The mustang is pure shifts and giggles, my plan eventually is a 331 dart based stroker with NX to cool it and spool it through a th400 on the brake. So I want to dabble in the turbo world before I make the call on NX, Turbo, Supercharged.
I know it seems confusing but I just want to be clear so I can gain knowledge from people who have done it.

Wichers123 · Oct 20, 2015

If fab skills is something you don't have then wait for the b&g kit. Then it will be just a bolt on affair. Things I recommend. Upgrade the fuel lines to braided and have proper fuel at the injectors, pick a good set of injectors, Siemens deka/id's. Fuel pump needs to be the largest you can run aem/aeromotive 320lph/340lph intank or go sumped with a aeromotive a1000. A good regulator. Always and I mean always have a wideband its gonna be your friend.