Buying a Stereo? Idiots Guide to the Basics!!!

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Im writing this in simple terms, for people who don't understand too much about stereos so if you have anything to add feel free.

Ok first off you have to tell your self what you want. The main question is do you want subs, they will add weight to your car, and in the long run make your stereo at least 2X as expensive as without them. Personally I love a sub.

NOTE: Prices I quote of internet prices, you can probaly find them slightly cheaper online or ebay but if you buy local expect to pay more.

Power Ratings
Ignore WATTS...Read the RMS!
RMS is "Root Mean Square". It is a measurement of AC Power. It is the effective power used by a device. In other words RMS is the watts rating that your speakers will output on a continuous basis.
Basically you just want to do apples to apples. If your amp or stereo ouput is rated in RMS or Peak that is the measurement you would use to for the power that speaker will handle. I always go by RMS never wattage....why? All companys should rate their stuff in RMS and peak wattage. But some companys measure their RMS diffrent to make their stuff seem more powerful.

Example:
Company a: Their subwoofer is 1000watts but only 200rms
Company b: Their subwoofer is 500watts and 250rms
Your going to think yeah, company A's is better but it really is not, chances are its a cheaper quality brand and they are measuing their rms diffrent to 'trick' you. It shoud roughly be around 50%.

So always go by RMS wattage when matching components!

Headunit I would spend at least $200.
The key to your stereo. Now that everyone has a IPOD make sure its Ipod capable. I always recommend Alpine, pioneer premier & kenwood are nice as well. Now some people just think getting a cheap heaunit they can put more money towards speakers...this is right in a way but more expencive headunits have better components and features which will get the most out of which ever speakers you choose.
The average quality headunit should produce 18rms x 4 (x4 means to four channels...will power 4 speakers)

Speakers I would spend at least $75 a pair.
Good brands to look into are: JL, alpine, kenwood, boston acoustics, infinity, eclipse (in no particular order)
The best speakers are 6.5" or 6.25" usually, why because there round, think about it! Your car might only take 5x7 or 6x9 but 6.25" will fit, you might have to make a simple adapter plate but its easy. 5x7 and 6x9 design's tend to produce more bass.
Now your headunit lets say it supplys 18rms/50watts peak. Your not going to find speakers to match that, your best bet will be to try to find some in the 30-50rms range if you can, as you will get the most out of them for your money (higher wattage = more expencive = not nesscarly louder or better) if you bought some 200rms speakers and put your headunits 15rms to them not only would it probaly ruin your speakers but 25rms speakers will outperform them (this is of course within reason).

Getting a sub? + $300 approx for speakers if you want a balanced sound
Now if your getting a sub I suggest to get a component set, that has 2 midrange (6.25 or 6.5") speakers, 2 crossovers and 2 tweeters (tweeters produce just highs). Reason I suggest this is your sub will produce lots of bass, it will be hard to hear vocals and some sound over it, but with a component set it will cut right thru that and you can really crank up your stereo. A component set expect to pay $150+, then you will need an amp for it id say at in the $150+ range. A 2 channel amp will work fine since you have the crossovers which split it up for the speakers and midrange and filters out power to the tweeters (of course a little tweeter cant take as much power as a full speaker).

Subwoofers Look for dual voicecoils (D2).
Recommended brands...too hard to say, tell us what your looking for interms of sound! BTW: I love JL, best bang for the buck!
Dual voice coils basically is two subs in one, you need 2 channels of power going to it, so a 2 channel amp is best. They sound better, and handle more power, make more bass.
People get all attracted by looks or by big magnents, big surrounds etc. Ignore this, stick to the RMS rating. Now with subs are probably the hardest to purchase if you dont know what your doing. Feel free to ask in the forums and someone will help you.
There are Sound Quality Subs, SPL (sound pressure level) subs. Then there are some that are a good mix.
Personally one of my favorite subs is a JL.
JLW3 is rated at 250rms, I only paid $75 for mine off ebay! IMO it sounds better and louder then lots of 500rms subs out there! Dont let small sizes or looks fool you on subwoofers. If you run one subwoofer you probaly want it to be D2. Dual 2ohm is what that means.

Amplifiers The most important part if your stereo interms of sound quality & performance OTHER THEN A CUSTOM SUBBOX.
Reccomended brands: JL, Alpine, PPI, Orion, Kenwood.
Im not going to get technical here. But the more you pay for an amp the better quality you will get. Find the most expensive amp in your price range with the lowest wattage and it is probably the best amp. What im trying to say is the internal components make a big diffrence. One amp might be twice as powerful as another and half the price, but the 'cleaness' of that power will suffer big time, expencive amps have expencive internal parts which diliver clean, crisp, undestorted power which will give you a clean crip undestorted sound. Please dont cheap out on an amplifer, headunits are the same way! Im not going to get too detailed but thought I would shoot out some examples.

What to look for? Keep your eye on the THD rating!
What is THD? TOTAL HARMONIC DISTORTION. The amount of undesirable harmonics present in an output audio signal expressed as a precentage. The lower the percentage the better.

Here is an example:


JL Amp THD at Rated RMS Power: 0.03%
Clarion Amp at Rated RMS Power: 0.2%THD

Not to pick on Clarion and im using extremes but the lower that THD %# the better! The JL amp is going to sound a hellofa lot better!

THD is a lot more important when running speakers with an amplifier rather then subs, please keep it in mind interms of subs try to get a low THD but its not as crucial as when selecting and amp for your speakers!

Wiring
When installing new speakers in your car please buy new wiring and run new wiring to your speakers. You don't need anything too fancy you can spend anywhere from $10-100 for example. You get what you pay for? Not always, pick a happy medium in wiring.
Subs?/Amps? If your running an amplifier you cant go TOO big of wire but you can go too small, if your running around 600-1000RMS total I would suggest at least 4ga wire. If your 200-600rms, 6ga will be fine. Go for good material on the connections when buying terminals etc. Oxygen free copper is fine, silver or gold if you want to spend more money.

 

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Re: Buying a Stereo? Idiots Guide

Nice thanks for the write-up! O0
 
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Re: Buying a Stereo? Idiots Guide

no worries, thought its easier then explaining it each time for ppl. tell me if it doesn't make sense to you, since i just wrote it up off the top of my head, so i can edit things to make it more clear.
 

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for someone thats "wire-stupid" like me, this is awesome! :dancing6: THANKS!
 

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nice write-up, i install car stereos for a living, BUT you are completely wrong about a dual voicecoil sub being louder than a single, the only difference between the 2 is wiring options aka impedance. if u have (2) single voice coil 4 ohm subs they can either be wired to 8 ohms or 2 ohms.
If you have (2) dual voice coil 4 ohm subs, they can be wired to 1 ohm or 4 ohm
 
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thanks, generally higher end subs come as DVC though, Ive been out of the game for like 5 years and I wrote this last year, now that you mention it your right...dunno what I was trying to say.
 

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Looking at a few different decks to go in my 96 Cobra with Mach 460....

Kenwood - 50W x 4 MOSFET Apple? iPod?/Satellite/HD Radio-Ready In-Dash CD Deck
Model: KDC-MP342U $139.99

Sony - 50W x 4 In-Dash CD Deck
Model: MEXBT2700 $159.99

The RMS for the Sony is much higher than the Kenwood, (45 vs 22)...

OR would I be better off saving some money on this one

Sony - 52W x 4 Apple? iPod?/Satellite Radio/HD Radio-Ready CD Deck
Model: CDX-GT330 $104.99

I am on a budget, so i'm probably looking at about 50 for installation.. and 200 is the most im willing to spend for it to be in my car and playing... Just wanted a little insight, I'm not very good with Audio, so all i have is my good experience with my last Sony Deck for my 92 towncar
 

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im cheaper. i have a pioneer premier with an ipod fm transmitter. my exhaust drowns everything.
 

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I used to like Kenwood. Im more of an Alpine and Rockford Fan. I also enjoy the JL Audio stuff but for the money im not sure anymore.
 

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I still like Kenwood. I LOVE my headunit. I'm up in the air on if I want to find a NIB one like the one I have (for the 67, its discontinued) or go double din, all out, navi, dvd touchscreen mofo.

Dunno yet.
 

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I have saving and getting all my components peice by piece on ebay. I went with kicker. So far i have a zx1000.1 mono block D for my 2 07cvr 2 ohm d2 12" sums, i got 1 zx650.4 and now im waiting on me to get some good hours in so i can pick up 2 sets of qs65.2 's i think i should have pretty sweet system when done. I gotta cheapy sony deck now but will upgrade to Kenwood.
 

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Im looking for a "happy medium" For less than $500, whats a good deck and speaker combo? I have the mach 460 right now.. End goal is to run a single sub..
 

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i've been installing car stereos for quite a few years. as far as brand goes, look for a trusted quality brand (i.e. pioneer, kenwood, alpine, etc) and spend what you can on it. remember that crap amplified is just bigger crap. also, its been my experience with all pre-2005 mustangs that when you start changing components in the mach system that it throws the whole thing off balance. that system was designed to work together in ways typically not used in car audio(door speakers as woofers for example) and depending on your system may even have factory subwoofers as well. so when i start working with a mach system, its usually with intentions on changing to more conventional approach. (keep in mind when installing an aftermarket radio that it goes from there to an ampifier already so you may need to use the low level RCAs to keep distortion down and balance with the non ampilified part of the system. as far as head units, i have put double din radio in all 1987 to present cars with little problems. got a '96 or newer car with OBD II? pioneer's app radio has an accessory that will put guages (rpm, speed, water temp, and a host of others) on your DVD screen
 

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I beg to differ on a couple of points. I am not installing professinally anymore but I did for over 10 yrs here/there. Hell the first alarm I installed was on my 94 gt back when my mom bought it new and was DD it.

Changing speakers in the car can be done after the deck is replaced(unless you insist on the single cassette and slave cd) it could not be any easier to bypass the stock amps for the door woofers or to install an aftermarket speaker in. The majorityof the bass from the mach is in back in the enclosure I have had great luck in friends cars(as well as mine before I went nuts on it) keeping everything in back stock and then swapping out the front woofers for a full range speaker. Helps to draw the sound up front to improve imaging and and you will still get bass from those speakers as well as the stock woofers still in back.

". . that system was designed to work together in ways typically not used in car audio(door speakers as woofers for example) and depending on your system may even have factory subwoofers as well" - Not sure why a stock componant set up is not so typical the OEMs have been doing it in premium systems for a while now. And unless you are talking about the mach 1000 the 460 has no additional woofers other then what is in the corners.


Finally for wiring into the amps - again I disagree. Ford/jbl while they are using amp they did amplify the signal a bit before they sent it to the amps so it is basically seeing a speaker level output feeding into the amps. Not a problem as long as they were designed for that and they are. If I use the rca outputs on the deck for a mach system I always got a line driver to boost the rca voltage up to where the stock amps like it, unless you pay attention to the RCA output voltage and get a deck with an 8v output. With out this by the time the woofers are almost getting warmed up and seeing powe the tweets have LONG since started to distort and kill the SQ. You can just feed the speaker level inputs straight into the amps, again because it was designed to do this. I know the big box shops will tell you that you HAVE to use a$50 hrns to wire a deck into that sytem and don't believe the hype. The stock amp will be just fine with the amplified signal going into it I have done possibly hundreds like this and they never came back for a dead amp, just wanted to upgrade more.
 

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Power Ratings
Ignore WATTS...Read the RMS!
RMS is "Root Mean Square". It is a measurement of AC Power. It is the effective power used by a device. In other words RMS is the watts rating that your speakers will output on a continuous basis.
Basically you just want to do apples to apples. If your amp or stereo ouput is rated in RMS or Peak that is the measurement you would use to for the power that speaker will handle. I always go by RMS never wattage....why? All companys should rate their stuff in RMS and peak wattage. But some companys measure their RMS diffrent to make their stuff seem more powerful.

Example:
Company a: Their subwoofer is 1000watts but only 200rms
Company b: Their subwoofer is 500watts and 250rms
Your going to think yeah, company A's is better but it really is not, chances are its a cheaper quality brand and they are measuing their rms diffrent to 'trick' you. It shoud roughly be around 50%.

So always go by RMS wattage when matching components!

Little confused. You say to go by RMS, but RMS is also what you said companys measure differently to trick you. So why would you go by the value that companys will fudge? You also said it should be around 50%. This is compared to Watts? So if the sub in the example above is really 1000watts then the RMS should be ~500 realistically?
 

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the power ratings on speakers is one of the more useless numbers and something I have never paid any attention too. You can put more the the max power rating on a speaker, you can put 1/4 the max ratings to the speaker and as long as you keep the signal clean and out of clipping/distortion there is little/nothing to worry about.

Now on amps, the power rating is the MOST important number to look at and again RMS is what you want to see. The rms is %50 of the peak power rating in watts and a better idea of what the speakers will see power wise. Get the biggest amp you can, hook it up and again just keep the signal out of the clipping/high distortion area and you will be fine.
 

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As far as power output of an amp, I look at the fuse or fuse rating for the amp and times it by 10 to get an idea of the power output. The engineers decide what fuse it needs to protect the amp, the marketing dept decides what to print on the front. If you have 2 amps, the "1000 watts max output ILS (If Lightening Strikes it) rated amp has a 10 amp fuse and another one that that's rated at 500 watts but has 2-30 amp fuses in the end, which power rating would you be more comfortable in believing.

This will at least get you in the ballpark. Not exact but it will narrow the choices down by 10 fold. It still amazes me when kids bring me an amp to install and can't figure out why it doesn't perform like they thought it would.

In the mid 90s my store had it's own house brand amps that I had the engineers from Harmon International design and build for us. When it came to rating the amp that was entirely up to me. Back then the thing to do was to underrate amps for comp purposes. I had a 2x25 amp that would do closer to 2x75 at 4ohms, 2x140 at 2ohms and 2x225 at 1ohm. I had another that was rated at 2x75 but would do closer to 2x150 at 4ohm, and 2x 450 at 1ohm. I was able to have printed on the labels whatever I wanted which is why I don't even look at the rating no matter what they say.

JIMMY
 

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Gent's, I have read all the above, head units, stereos, Models etc, etc..Really do not see (replace my CD Player) Simple, compatible, snap out and in Model> CD-Player only, HELP!????
 

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