Do i have NPI or PI heads?

Discussion in '96-04 - 2V Specific' started by smasher41, Mar 8, 2007.

  1. smasher41

    smasher41 Member

    Messages:
    188
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    I have had the car for a little while now, and It came with all the "bolt on" upgrades already, so i decided to doa headswap.
    well after ordering Pi heads, and getting a PI intake manifold, i found somthing out today......

    I have a PI intake manifold installed on my car!!! (plastic FORD PI crossover though)

    Looking closer, the area where the head gaskets, bolts for the valve covers, and everyhting invlolved in the PI head swap appears to be newer looking than other parts in the engine bay.

    Is there any way to visually determine if my heads are PI or NPI by the outside of the engine? I'd hate to drop $300 on labor and $500 on parts to put somthing i already have in LOL

    thanks a ton guys!
     
  2. 1996mustangGT

    1996mustangGT Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,538
    Likes Received:
    1
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2006
    one stupid way to find out is to find a 99 or later GT andrace him.
    if you stay with him/her then yes you have the swap.
    if you dont get raped then you probally just have the intake.
    if you get raped, your all NPI.
    or just look at the casting numbers and be smart. :D
     
  3. 97blackgt

    97blackgt Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,064
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2006
    whats the fun in that? lol :dunno:
     
  4. 4point6GT

    4point6GT Active Member

    Messages:
    824
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2006
    findin a 99 newer gt and racing sounds just about right O0
     
  5. Red96GT

    Red96GT Legend

    Messages:
    5,374
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2006
    :boink:
     
  6. smasher41

    smasher41 Member

    Messages:
    188
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    where are the casting number on the heads?
    I didnt see any?

    thanks.
     
  7. 1996mustangGT

    1996mustangGT Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,538
    Likes Received:
    1
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2006
    ewww...now that i dont know....
    its on one of the ends if i remember right but im not totally sure....
     
  8. Adam

    Adam Member

    Messages:
    231
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    You can still have a NPI intake with the aluminum crossover on the front. The PI heads have "PI" either stamped into the rear of them or on the white sticker on them. Usually towards the rear between cylinder 3-4 on the pass or 7-8 on the drivers.
     
  9. smasher41

    smasher41 Member

    Messages:
    188
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    is this stamped metal on the inside ( under the intake manifold) or on the outside ( by the headers?)

    the Intake is a confirmed PI, but it does NOT have the aluminum crossover. i was a bit suspicious when i saw that the 2nd collent sensor was installed on the thermostat cap/tube, and not on the manifold itself. Further inspection shows the runner is offset to the side for the coolent( required for taller PI intake), and not down the center like the NPI runner uses.

    But the PI intake i got today does have the AL crossover :)
     
  10. Adam

    Adam Member

    Messages:
    231
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Yes on the header side....
     
  11. WODY281

    WODY281 Guest

    I'm not sure on all the years, but I know on my P.I. heads the oil cap is on the passenger side instead of on the drivers side. You can check that and it should tell ya for sure. Also I think the P.I. heads have more bolt holes in the valve covers than the non P.I.. Not sure how many though maybe some one else will.
     
  12. smasher41

    smasher41 Member

    Messages:
    188
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    WODY, the number of bolts on the valve covers tells if it is a windsor or romeo engine.

    ill look into the oil cap thing, it may be jsut the difference in manufacturer though.
     
  13. WODY281

    WODY281 Guest

    Yeah but isn't all windsor engines P.I.'s? (Not sure so don't hold me to it.) But I do remember on mine if you take the valve cover off it will be stamped P.I. on the head. So if nothing else you know you can figure it out that way!
     
  14. quickstang_1994

    quickstang_1994 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,208
    Likes Received:
    12
    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2006
    Location:
    Cross Anchor, SC
    This doesn't work I tried this with my Saleen and I still dont know. Is there away without removing the valve covers.
     
  15. quickstang_1994

    quickstang_1994 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,208
    Likes Received:
    12
    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2006
    Location:
    Cross Anchor, SC
    Is this on both sides?
     
  16. WODY281

    WODY281 Guest

    yeah its on both heads
     
  17. 1996mustangGT

    1996mustangGT Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,538
    Likes Received:
    1
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2006
    did you ever find them?
     
  18. smasher41

    smasher41 Member

    Messages:
    188
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    found number codes, but there is an II under the ford number, not PI

    my PI heads and cams came in today anyways. once i get the valve cover off ill know if i procede with install or not :)
     
  19. AaRoN

    AaRoN King Post Whore

    Messages:
    33,966
    Likes Received:
    38
    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2006
    Location:
    Orlando, Florida, United States
    I've raced an '03 GT w/ catted H and flows and didn't get raped, in fact I hung with him and if I hadn't bogged first I probably would've stayed bumper to bumper with him. I'm NPI!
     
  20. ripper

    ripper Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,323
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2007
    My pi motor has the oil fill on the drivers side so that wont help. Ill go outside and see if i can find some numbers for ya.