Its official the 2valve pi manifold has ceased production.

[wmfateam]

Dang this new intake is blowing up all the 2v FB pages. Crazy

Reading the comments and the idiocy gets to me tho. Im glad this forum is here

Same thing on Reddit. Everyone reading the Ford press piece and just eating it up and saying it is all power PI!


In regards to the LMR dyno video. Of all their dyno's that I have seen, they never went full American Muscle with their numbers. I remember their throttle body and plenum video and it showed like 6hp. I have faith they will tell it like it is.

 

[Mustang5L5]

They did with the regular Dorman intake.

Same thing on Reddit. Everyone reading the Ford press piece and just eating it up and saying it is all power PI!

I've seen a number of folks who think LMR is making these...

 

[96blak54]

They aint no way LMR funded the cost to tool up something like this. Now i would believe Ford and multiple companies like LMR committed to a mass purchase amount to secure the funding costs.

Looking at the intake.....probably has over 50,000pounds of steel in molds and welding dies alone. Then the machine work associated with them can easily raise the costs to touch 1million dollars.

If that water channel is a production carry over from pi intakes, that would help costs, but if its specific to this new intake, again more tooling costs.

 

[96blak54]

I just look at the crossover. Its definitely not like the original, but 100% better. Its a individual part doing its individual thing. Notice how it mounts directly to the head? Its not sandwiched with plastic intake material like the pi intake was. That right there was a genius engineer move!

 

[Mustang5L5]

I saw that too. That’s definitely an improvement over the previous design and even the OE intake design. That’s the biggest failure point on both, and where my Dorman failed. Also, the rear heater nipple looks to be replaceable, although have not found a listing for that part yet.


HP aside, the new intake does look like an improvement in design. This might be the justification that LMR should focus on to justify the premium over the Dorman intake, but then again you can swap out two Dormans for the cost of one of these.

The alt bracket looks to be the same universal style with multiple mounting holes. See post 157. I don’t have mine anymore to snap a pic of the dorman.

Who knows what sort of arrangement Dorman worked out with Ford. Perhaps they own some exclusive rights to this intake, or maybe those rights expire in a year and this revised version starts to trickle out as the standard Dorman. We will see. I would think Dorman would want to consolidate and recoup new tooling costs figuring the old tooling has paid for itself long ago.

Just thinking out loud.

I would like to see LMR do a PI-Dorman-New Ford 3-way dyno. They already did the old Dorman but if there are any variables folks are going to cry foul.

 

[wmfateam]

Video is up. Not all dyno's done on same day, but same car.

 

[ttocs]

by the time you take the redesign costs ON TOP of the production costs, this was not a small company that did it all. As black said the molds that make these things are huge, expensive to develop and make and to make the juice worth the squeeze they will have to sell a fair number of these. Hopefully the quality is up to par.

 

[96blak54]

Thanks for the dyno video!

Well.....i guess we can say that the new pi intake isnt all that bad. Not as bad as dorman. Not a good as original pi.

People jus gonna have to suck it up when they new a replacement intake.

 

[Mustang5L5]

I think given the redesign and especially the all-aluminum cross-over, the new intake does seem like it’s a more robust part, even more than the old PI intake. I think given the choice, I’d spend the $350 or so for it over a regular Dorman.


I’m just glad I got my hands on a new PI intake in time, and stuck a clean used one on the shelf for later.

Still curious of the runner design to give it a ~10 HP advantage over the Dorman. Torque was actually less

 

[96blak54]

Yea, i do believe im gonna round my local junkyards and try to scavenge some good used pi manifold.

 

[Mustang5L5]

I was thinking of doing the same thing….once this heat/humidity breaks in about 6 weeks

 

[Demosthenes9]

I think given the redesign and especially the all-aluminum cross-over, the new intake does seem like it’s a more robust part, even more than the old PI intake. I think given the choice, I’d spend the $350 or so for it over a regular Dorman.


I’m just glad I got my hands on a new PI intake in time, and stuck a clean used one on the shelf for later.

Still curious of the runner design to give it a ~10 HP advantage over the Dorman. Torque was actually less

If you look at a pic of it sitting side by side (top down) with the Dorman , the runners are slightly linher and the plenum is a bit larger.

 

[96blak54]

Hey, good eye! The do appear slighly bigger.

 

[Mustang5L5]

Ahh. Did. It notice that.

 

[RAU03MACH]

4v mach

 

[RAU03MACH]

With some upgrades

 

[RAU03MACH]

I am hunting down a lot of 4v part's
Right now

 

[RAU03MACH]

May do a conversion on an 03
Gt