Times are changing

[SouthernGorilla]

The cycle continues. Rome, Machu Pichu, pick a civilization. There are people who believe they are special, entitled to rule. They believe we exist only to serve them. Electric cars are being pushed heavily because they are a tool to control us. This isn't tinfoil hat territory either. The endgame is obvious. When you plug in an electric car it will be trivial for it to "phone home". Then the Ministry of Travel can determine whether or not you have exceeded your allotted mileage and decide how much charge your car can get. Once self-driving cars are perfected we will be taken only to those destinations which have been approved for us. This is where the social credit system comes in.

Electric cars are inevitable because they don't want us peons having freedom and mobility. They want us to be obedient automatons. The only question is, how far will it get before they meet the same fate as every other group of tyrants throughout history.

 

[95opal]

The cycle continues. Rome, Machu Pichu, pick a civilization. There are people who believe they are special, entitled to rule. They believe we exist only to serve them. Electric cars are being pushed heavily because they are a tool to control us. This isn't tinfoil hat territory either. The endgame is obvious. When you plug in an electric car it will be trivial for it to "phone home". Then the Ministry of Travel can determine whether or not you have exceeded your allotted mileage and decide how much charge your car can get. Once self-driving cars are perfected we will be taken only to those destinations which have been approved for us. This is where the social credit system comes in.

Electric cars are inevitable because they don't want us peons having freedom and mobility. They want us to be obedient automatons. The only question is, how far will it get before they meet the same fate as every other group of tyrants throughout history.

Here comes the conspiracy label from the sheep.

 

[MyLittlePony]

The cycle continues. Rome, Machu Pichu, pick a civilization. There are people who believe they are special, entitled to rule. They believe we exist only to serve them. Electric cars are being pushed heavily because they are a tool to control us. This isn't tinfoil hat territory either. The endgame is obvious. When you plug in an electric car it will be trivial for it to "phone home". Then the Ministry of Travel can determine whether or not you have exceeded your allotted mileage and decide how much charge your car can get. Once self-driving cars are perfected we will be taken only to those destinations which have been approved for us. This is where the social credit system comes in.

Electric cars are inevitable because they don't want us peons having freedom and mobility. They want us to be obedient automatons. The only question is, how far will it get before they meet the same fate as every other group of tyrants throughout history.

Good god! Was there this much hate, paranoia, and backlash when we went from horseback to horseless carriage?

Yes, there is over the air connectivity, and updates that could, theoretically, break it, but if you have solar panels and your own battery backup unit, they can’t just say no, you’ve exceeded your allotment of power for the day. I mean, you plug in your phone, right? It gets a charge. It’s sending all kinds of data back and forth. I have to keep mine on the opposite side of the room because it keeps talking to my analog clock radio, which causes feedback noise. I have it set to manually update, while most people have theirs set to auto. Does yours auto update? Ever had your phone run slower, or apps not work because of it? Yet you still own a smart phone, do you not? You carry it around with you, and it tracks your every move. Where are you at any given time, who did you talk to, and so on.

I mean, let’s say the government did want to control you, so they set off an EMP near you. What vehicle do you own, right now, that will still be operational? You have one? What about your neighbor? Are you willing to shoot him dead just so that you can keep it? I can play this what if game all day long.

But let’s look at services that COME with a lot of new modern ICE vehicles. OnStar can immobilize your vehicle if they think the car is stolen. They might’ve gotten a report and was one number off or something. Dealers will sometimes install trackers and disablers on vehicles that aren’t paid off. It’s technically still theirs, or the banks, so it’s legal. They use gas.

EVs were much loved over a century ago due to their reliability, easy to start, easy to maintain, and what many liked the most about them was the fact that they were quiet and didn’t smell. In the city, that was HUGE! Of course, it pretty much was the city that these vehicles could reside in due to the infrastructure. Many places STILL did not have electricity. Many people were STILL on horse back. Those who could afford a cheaper ICE might’ve not even had a filling station in their town.

 

[ju015dd]

Good god! Was there this much hate, paranoia, and backlash when we went from horseback to horseless carriage?

Yes, there is over the air connectivity, and updates that could, theoretically, break it, but if you have solar panels and your own battery backup unit, they can’t just say no, you’ve exceeded your allotment of power for the day. I mean, you plug in your phone, right? It gets a charge. It’s sending all kinds of data back and forth. I have to keep mine on the opposite side of the room because it keeps talking to my analog clock radio, which causes feedback noise. I have it set to manually update, while most people have theirs set to auto. Does yours auto update? Ever had your phone run slower, or apps not work because of it? Yet you still own a smart phone, do you not? You carry it around with you, and it tracks your every move. Where are you at any given time, who did you talk to, and so on.

I mean, let’s say the government did want to control you, so they set off an EMP near you. What vehicle do you own, right now, that will still be operational? You have one? What about your neighbor? Are you willing to shoot him dead just so that you can keep it? I can play this what if game all day long.

But let’s look at services that COME with a lot of new modern ICE vehicles. OnStar can immobilize your vehicle if they think the car is stolen. They might’ve gotten a report and was one number off or something. Dealers will sometimes install trackers and disablers on vehicles that aren’t paid off. It’s technically still theirs, or the banks, so it’s legal. They use gas.

EVs were much loved over a century ago due to their reliability, easy to start, easy to maintain, and what many liked the most about them was the fact that they were quiet and didn’t smell. In the city, that was HUGE! Of course, it pretty much was the city that these vehicles could reside in due to the infrastructure. Many places STILL did not have electricity. Many people were STILL on horse back. Those who could afford a cheaper ICE might’ve not even had a filling station in their town.

Bottom line, go get one if you want one. But dont go voting for some commie to force me into this b.s. Politics has created trash like, e.v vs fuel , corn in our Damn gas and scr's and dpf's on our deisel vehicles....... It's always about money. So if you want to ride around in your rc car drinking a bud go for it.. But leave us others the hell alone.

 

[ttocs]

I would like to point out that the civilization of machu pichu ended because of exposure to smallpox, measles and syphilis that was brought by the spanish. I have not heard that it was their plan from the start but it is possible that is how they planned to take them over but I don't think it is an apples/apples comparison of the illluminati's plan to take over with EV's and covid. Machu Pichu is a neat place as well if ya ever get the chance to go visit, the pics do not do it justice as it is amazing all the things they did there.

 

[joe65]

I have to chime in because this shit is on your mind if you're a car guy/girl. I'm not for driving an electric car, most of the time. I mean i might drive one to work, but otherwise, boring and nothing like driving around a computer on wheels. Anyways, Donut Media channel on Youtube had a decent take on the whole carbon footprint thing. We rely so heavily on petroleum its crazy and ice cars do pollute. Yes the mining for cobalt and lithium is shitty too, but in the life span of an electric car its footprint is smaller. I'm not saying I'm going out and buying an EV, but if it were affordable I'd consider having both. I like rowing gears and I still get excited hearing a good running v8. I think where they fucked up at this point is not incorporating hybrid into more cars. if you can get the majority of ice cars into the 40-50mpg that could make a difference. I'm old and hate a lot of the BS we are arguing about now. You know what the real issue is that no one really talks about? Too many fucking people on earth. That IS the problem. We cant fix or stop any environmental issues that everyone thinks we can until the population is not increasing every day.

World Population Clock: 8.1 Billion People (LIVE, 2024) - Worldometer

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[SouthernGorilla]

Good god! Was there this much hate, paranoia, and backlash when we went from horseback to horseless carriage?

Yes, there is over the air connectivity, and updates that could, theoretically, break it, but if you have solar panels and your own battery backup unit, they can’t just say no, you’ve exceeded your allotment of power for the day. I mean, you plug in your phone, right? It gets a charge. It’s sending all kinds of data back and forth. I have to keep mine on the opposite side of the room because it keeps talking to my analog clock radio, which causes feedback noise. I have it set to manually update, while most people have theirs set to auto. Does yours auto update? Ever had your phone run slower, or apps not work because of it? Yet you still own a smart phone, do you not? You carry it around with you, and it tracks your every move. Where are you at any given time, who did you talk to, and so on.

I mean, let’s say the government did want to control you, so they set off an EMP near you. What vehicle do you own, right now, that will still be operational? You have one? What about your neighbor? Are you willing to shoot him dead just so that you can keep it? I can play this what if game all day long.

But let’s look at services that COME with a lot of new modern ICE vehicles. OnStar can immobilize your vehicle if they think the car is stolen. They might’ve gotten a report and was one number off or something. Dealers will sometimes install trackers and disablers on vehicles that aren’t paid off. It’s technically still theirs, or the banks, so it’s legal. They use gas.

EVs were much loved over a century ago due to their reliability, easy to start, easy to maintain, and what many liked the most about them was the fact that they were quiet and didn’t smell. In the city, that was HUGE! Of course, it pretty much was the city that these vehicles could reside in due to the infrastructure. Many places STILL did not have electricity. Many people were STILL on horse back. Those who could afford a cheaper ICE might’ve not even had a filling station in their town.

The recent "Infrastructure" law included a requirement for all new cars to be equipped with technology that would make it possible to prevent drunks from starting their cars. No conspiracy, it's right there in black and white for everyone to read. If they can stop you from starting your gas/diesel because you're drunk, what makes you think they couldn't stop you from running your electric car? Solar doesn't change anything. We're looking at solar for our house. If we don't pay the bill for the loan on the system, they can remotely shut it off.

There's no paranoia here at all. Controlling mobility is critical for a socialist regime. The US has been mostly socialist for a while now. There are just a few hurdles left for them to overcome in order to fully take control.

 

[SouthernGorilla]

I have to chime in because this shit is on your mind if you're a car guy/girl. I'm not for driving an electric car, most of the time. I mean i might drive one to work, but otherwise, boring and nothing like driving around a computer on wheels. Anyways, Donut Media channel on Youtube had a decent take on the whole carbon footprint thing. We rely so heavily on petroleum its crazy and ice cars do pollute. Yes the mining for cobalt and lithium is shitty too, but in the life span of an electric car its footprint is smaller. I'm not saying I'm going out and buying an EV, but if it were affordable I'd consider having both. I like rowing gears and I still get excited hearing a good running v8. I think where they fucked up at this point is not incorporating hybrid into more cars. if you can get the majority of ice cars into the 40-50mpg that could make a difference. I'm old and hate a lot of the BS we are arguing about now. You know what the real issue is that no one really talks about? Too many fucking people on earth. That IS the problem. We cant fix or stop any environmental issues that everyone thinks we can until the population is not increasing every day.

World Population Clock: 8.1 Billion People (LIVE, 2024) - Worldometer

How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 8 billion on November 15, 2022 according to the United Nations. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and census data regarding the current, historical, and future world population figures, estimates...

www.worldometers.info

There's nothing ecological about EVs. Not over any timeframe. Their lifespan is too short for their lack of local emissions to mean anything. My GT is 24 years old. No electric car will ever last that long. Replacing a car every five years is not eco.

And CO2 is not a pollutant, it's a boogeyman. There's a reason life was more abundant during the age of the dinosaurs and earlier when CO2 levels were 10-20 times what they are now. And when CO2 drops below something like 150 PPM, plants will cease to exist because they won't have enough CO2 to survive. We should be terrified about the "carbon sink", not the "carbon footprint".

 

[95opal]

Some people are just to deep in clown world they can't see the tree through the forest. Even when their standing in front of the tree.

 

[joe65]

I appreciate your comment. But there are quite a few Teslas that have been driven a million miles. That would require many cycles of the battery.

There's nothing ecological about EVs. Not over any timeframe. Their lifespan is too short for their lack of local emissions to mean anything. My GT is 24 years old. No electric car will ever last that long. Replacing a car every five years is not eco.

And CO2 is not a pollutant, it's a boogeyman. There's a reason life was more abundant during the age of the dinosaurs and earlier when CO2 levels were 10-20 times what they are now. And when CO2 drops below something like 150 PPM, plants will cease to exist because they won't have enough CO2 to survive. We should be terrified about the "carbon sink", not the "carbon footprint".

I'm just talking and like i said I'm not convinced that evs are the solution, but there are many original teslas that logged over 400k miles on the original battery. I've even seen mention of a few that logged over a million miles. That doesn't feel like throw away more that an ice car. I know that kind mileage is not unheard of with an ICE, there's a few of those out there also. It is interesting to me tho that with the great technology out there that no one streamlined an ice that just kicked ass on mpg. I've had a couple VW TDI's that got 40mpg around town and 50mpg on the highway. And it was actually fun to drive with turbo and the diesel torque. Anyways, my point was that there is technology to make batteries live a lot longer it just needs to get to mainstream use. Makes me want to find another TDI lol.

 

[95opal]

I appreciate your comment. But there are quite a few Teslas that have been driven a million miles. That would require many cycles of the battery.
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I'm just talking and like i said I'm not convinced that evs are the solution, but there are many original teslas that logged over 400k miles on the original battery. I've even seen mention of a few that logged over a million miles. That doesn't feel like throw away more that an ice car. I know that kind mileage is not unheard of with an ICE, there's a few of those out there also. It is interesting to me tho that with the great technology out there that no one streamlined an ice that just kicked ass on mpg. I've had a couple VW TDI's that got 40mpg around town and 50mpg on the highway. And it was actually fun to drive with turbo and the diesel torque. Anyways, my point was that there is technology to make batteries live a lot longer it just needs to get to mainstream use. Makes me want to find another TDI lol.

There is no doubt batter tech will advance but the only ones who will benefit is CHINA. Thats a fact

 

[MyLittlePony]

I appreciate your comment. But there are quite a few Teslas that have been driven a million miles. That would require many cycles of the battery.

I'm just talking and like i said I'm not convinced that evs are the solution, but there are many original teslas that logged over 400k miles on the original battery. I've even seen mention of a few that logged over a million miles. That doesn't feel like throw away more that an ice car. I know that kind mileage is not unheard of with an ICE, there's a few of those out there also. It is interesting to me tho that with the great technology out there that no one streamlined an ice that just kicked ass on mpg. I've had a couple VW TDI's that got 40mpg around town and 50mpg on the highway. And it was actually fun to drive with turbo and the diesel torque. Anyways, my point was that there is technology to make batteries live a lot longer it just needs to get to mainstream use. Makes me want to find another TDI lol.

I agree with you. There are very little mechanics involved with an EV, which is why they are great for long term. Many of these 400k+ mile cars have been well documented because they were work vehicles of some kind that were given proper scheduled maintenance. There is very little maintenance involved however, due to being an EV. Things like tires and brakes. I think the ones closer to a million miles had batteries and drivetrain motor replaced. How often does a transmission or ice engine need to be serviced? Fluids changed regularly, rebuilt, replaced?

I think the problem is EVs are still too new to people. So people see what all goes into build a brand new vehicle and not realize that it’s only slightly worse during the first year of life than an ICE. Our Tesla is 8 years old, and RAV4 EV is 9 years old. They were purchased used, so no additional harm done to the environment. What people may not realize though is that our GMC truck is 68yo. Why on earth am I bringing that up? Because it’s powered by a Hyper9 motor and some Leaf batteries. Does the range suck? Yes. But that’s only because we don’t know the history of the 13yo Leaf, which only had a 100 mile range new, only uses some (not all) of the batteries, and isn’t as efficient since it’s heavier and has to rotate through a transmission and driveshaft. The plan is to one day swap in Model 3 batteries. This was just our first EV swap, so we didn’t really know how to go with it.

So even after EVs are done, they are parted out, and benefited by others. These aren’t throw away cars like modern ICE. There are even companies out there that try to recycle the batteries since the elements within are still useful and better than mining. I have a 1957 Belair roller that I purchased with no engine, no transmission, and no driveshaft. …and it may never get one because thats the plan for it too. It’s not like these cars were ever rare or anything.