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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cobrajeff96" data-source="post: 1534688" data-attributes="member: 29141">Now this is still a hotly debated subject...As of now, producing an EV in a factory produces more carbon than producing an ICE vehicle in a factory does. There's one demerit.As of now, the mining rare earth metals like Lithium and Cobalt is a toxic process and either destructive or disruptive to the environments from which they are extracted (oh and if it's being done in Africa then it's being done by children, most likely supervised by warlords, and most likely controlled by China). There's another demerit.Lithium batteries are volatile. You can't ship them commercially. EV fires bring down entire ocean freighters. EV fires burn down homes, and some times their own passengers. Disposal at EOL is still a quagmire. Lithium fires can't be put out like most other fires can - you just let it burn until it stops burning. There's a whole lot more demerits in case the first two weren't bad enough.Theoretically, the carbon emissions of EV production can be lessened in the future. And EVs emit little to no carbon on the road. But given all the negative factors (and maybe others still), I'll just say no thanks. I drink coffee straight up, sometimes with real creamer. I don't go for the soi boi special.</blockquote>