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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Adam" data-source="post: 6280" data-attributes="member: 8249">The debate could go on forever. It is just a matter of what you want to do or prove. I made 243/269 untuned after my headswap with VT Stage 1 cams, this is through a 125,000(at that time) 4R70W. I easily eclipsed 260/285 with this exact same set up after I added longtubes. HP numbers don't mean much to me anyway. This set up has now run 12.61 with 132,000miles on it (don't forget, this is an automatic). If I wanted to keep throwing money at it, it could make even more(easy 12.50's). Its started getting expensive so I stopped.... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I think your aspirations are admirable. To each their own.Adam 8)</blockquote>