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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Phatboy" data-source="post: 1163022" data-attributes="member: 18419">No need for the picture Bub.  I understand.  Thanks for the tip.  The reason I ask is because Ive had a detonation problem for months.  I cannot get it to completely go away, even with timing at 10* and running 92 octane fuel.  Running 87 or 89 octane gives me serious detonation.  Also the car got way hot the other day like almost out of the NORMAL range and into the red.  That in turn fried my TFI and stranded me 25 miles from home. I am planning to turbo this car in the future, and want everything to be in good shape for when that time comes.</blockquote>