03 Cobra Caliper upgrade

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Got a good deal on a pair of Calipers off a 03 Cobra. Calipers, rotors, & Pads. Just no LH and RH brake lines. Would this upgrade work for my 98 V6 stang? Also where could i be able to get stainless braided lines if this brake upgrade would work.
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they will work, and you should be able to use you stock brake lines. upgrading to a 94-95 Cobra master cylinder is recommended, but not necessary.

im gonna move this to the suspension section, ReplicaR should see it there and give more insight.
 

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you need FOR SURE the brake hose bolts (banjo bolts) that attach the hoses to the calipers. not 100% sure about the hoses working.
 

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yes, the bolts that hold the brake HOSE to the CALIPER.

any 99 and newer v6/gt/cobra uses the SAME bolts which happen to be different than all the older ones.

if you go to a junkyard there should be TONS of them.
 
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Sweet. What rim size must i have in order to install this caliper? 17 and up right? Cuz i currently have 18 but i am looking for a change in wheels and might get cobra wheels or saleens.
 

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17s are a must. i will tell you that i just did this swap on a friends car (00 mustang GT stock with PBR aluminum calipers) and i installed the full cobra front brakes using all new parts and raybestos ceramic pads and i was not impressed at all.

stock setup with EBC or hawk pads stops ALOT better, they dont look nearly as good though. <-- based this just from some spirited street driving, no road coarse or anything, so they never got extremely hot to check for fade or anything.

i'll personally not be doing it on my car just because of the weight, i'm just going to do some EBC yellows with PBR aluminum calipers (his old ones since they are free and weight less).
 

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depends on why you're doing it. for looks yes, i think it looks great behind any wheel. for daily driving it felt no different than my stock 96 brakes (both cars with raybestos ceramic pads).

my previous mustang had EBC green stuff pads and stopped a TON better.

if you road race auto x or anything like that i'm sure the increased rotor diameter and pad surface area will decrease fade, but not many people will drive their cars hard enough to notice the difference.

in my opinion its totally overrated performance wise, its heavy, and expensive. it does look better <-- only advantage i see over stock with good pads, but put good pads on the cobra setup and it'll likely feel alot better.
 
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Hmm. Cuz they look good and probably later on I am gonna do a turbo set up. So idk wether they will b a good upgrade nw or just wait till dwn the road.
 

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well "cobra brakes" looks better than "good pads" on a mod list, LOL... so if you're out to impress then do them.....
 

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First of all, you have a rather large flaw in your comparison. While the Cobra stuff was upgrade, the pad was a huge downgrade. You are talking about going from a pretty aggressive performance pad (EBC Green) with something that's not meant for any performance driving what so ever (Reybestos Ceramic). Ceramic pads have a very shitty working range, and they have a very low friction coefficient, so what did you expect exactly? That's like you saying that you went from 245 to 275, but 245 was Azenis and 275 is all season tire, and since your all season 275 does not grip as well as max performance 245, there is no reason to go wider.

Secondly, there is a LOT more to cobra setup than just head dissipation and larger pad. The whole point is that the pad sits a lot further from the hub, which gives it much more torque (think leverage here), and therefore stops the car faster as well. When I went from 99 PBR calipers to a Cobra kit, I saw a HUGE difference in bite, both on and off the track.

To OP: I went through a ton of setups. I've had stock cast iron, 99 PBR aluminum, Ford Racing Cobra kit, and currently running Brembo. I will tell you that as long as you are using a good performance pad, every time I stepped up to a new setup, I have felt performance gains. The only downside that I can think of is that going to a larger rotor will give you more rotational mass, and might slow the car a bit down in the straight line.
 
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Well I knew there was alot more to it than just swapping calipers n rotors. So would it just be better to change the pads? What would be good b good stopping pads?
 

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ReplicaR said:
First of all, you have a rather large flaw in your comparison. While the Cobra stuff was upgrade, the pad was a huge downgrade. You are talking about going from a pretty aggressive performance pad (EBC Green) with something that's not meant for any performance driving what so ever (Reybestos Ceramic). Ceramic pads have a very shitty working range, and they have a very low friction coefficient, so what did you expect exactly? That's like you saying that you went from 245 to 275, but 245 was Azenis and 275 is all season tire, and since your all season 275 does not grip as well as max performance 245, there is no reason to go wider.

Secondly, there is a LOT more to cobra setup than just head dissipation and larger pad. The whole point is that the pad sits a lot further from the hub, which gives it much more torque (think leverage here), and therefore stops the car faster as well. When I went from 99 PBR calipers to a Cobra kit, I saw a HUGE difference in bite, both on and off the track.

To OP: I went through a ton of setups. I've had stock cast iron, 99 PBR aluminum, Ford Racing Cobra kit, and currently running Brembo. I will tell you that as long as you are using a good performance pad, every time I stepped up to a new setup, I have felt performance gains. The only downside that I can think of is that going to a larger rotor will give you more rotational mass, and might slow the car a bit down in the straight line.

no your reading failed you.... i compared STOCK 96 brake setup w/ NEW raybestos ceramic pads to the cobra upgrade with NEW raybestos pads. the difference was not even noticeable. i did however say "using good pads on the cobra setup would likely make a big difference. i just dont feel its worth it without Hawk or EBC pads. and to further explain my point i said i have ran stock setups with EBC and Hawks and felt they perform ALOT better around town daily driving than the cobra upgrade with normal pads.

i could put Hawk pads on a duramax 2500HD and it would stop better, so why add all the extra weight except for looks "wow factor" etc.....

again, my opinion is unbiased as i havent spent the big money on a cobra upgrade, i just performed the job for a friend and compared it to my stock setup that i had just done. even the owner of the car said "well, that was a waste of money"...
 

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I would say that the original equipment brakes on the SN95s were horrible. I think what you and your friend probably noticed was that you had to press harder to stop (assuming you did not upgrade the MC) which is not a very good comparison. I would say that I felt a lot more stopping potential when I moved to my Bullitt brakes. I think on the street they are about the same (stock pads) but I definitely have much better stopping on the freeway and quick stops on the street they have much more bite. I would just say in advance that you probably won't notice them on the street until you need them to work better than the stock brakes.
 

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cntchds said:
I would say that the original equipment brakes on the SN95s were horrible. I think what you and your friend probably noticed was that you had to press harder to stop (assuming you did not upgrade the MC) which is not a very good comparison. I would say that I felt a lot more stopping potential when I moved to my Bullitt brakes. I think on the street they are about the same (stock pads) but I definitely have much better stopping on the freeway and quick stops on the street they have much more bite. I would just say in advance that you probably won't notice them on the street until you need them to work better than the stock brakes.

there is no master cylinder upgrade needed on the hydroboost setups. thats for the 94-95 and V6 crowd.

like i said, those who have spent the money on the upgrade will no doubt say its made a HUGE improvement, but i'll stick to my guns since my opinion was unbiased (not even my car)....
 

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You may say that your opinion is unbiased, but there is no concrete data behind your statement other than just what you have felt. I've ran my car at the track with HP+ pads on 99 Calipers and Cobra setup. With no other changes made but the brake swap, having cobra setup allowed me to brake a good two, maybe three car lengths later over the GT setup with the same exact pad. That's a really big difference. Brake pad grip was definitely increased just because the caliper was moved further away form the hub and had more leverage on the rotor.

Another question for you is, how long did you wait exactly for the pad to bed into the rotor, before you decided to pass down the judgment? I currently have Hawk Ceramics in my Brembos. I'm only using them because they came with the kit, and I did not want to get something difference, because I have a track pad anyway. When I first installed the kit, it felt like there was no stopping force at all. Felt like Cobra stuff was working better. I was getting pissed, until I installed the track pad, just to see what would happen, and realized that Ceramic pads just take forever to bed in, and they don't grip at all before they do. I have had those ceramics on there for the past 4 weeks and they are still not completely bedded.
 
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So just keep my factory calipers keep the mass weight dwn from the Cobra caliper n rotors and upgrade to better pads EBC or Hawks pads. ?
 

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The only place you will gain weight is the rotor. I'm almost positive that a loaded cobra caliper weights the same as the loaded cast iron caliper.

What you could do to keep the weight down, if you are so concerned about it, is install a set of 99 aluminum calipers. They weight a good 8 pounds a caliper lighter than stock, and you utilize the same rotor, so no gain there either. You might have to grind away some of the spindle to create clearance for the pistons. I had to do that on my 94, 96+ have different spindles, so I'm not 100% certain on that.
 

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