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monkeydude3 · Sep 14, 2007

okay just wanted to check, thanks! I guess I will start the "trick flow kit" Savings account, ha

scott5 · Sep 14, 2007

monkeydude3 said:
okay just wanted to check, thanks! I guess I will start the "trick flow kit" Savings account, ha

good choice.

monkeydude3 · Sep 14, 2007

I'm just gonna pluck away at puttin money away, I got a tiffany's ring to sell (haha long story) droppin that $ towards it, and i also got a check coming from the fire department so I should be set... and i will be getting reimbursed partially too.

what else should I buy in addition to that kit? I know i need lifters, injectors, and fuel pump... what else?

what injectors tho? What fuel pump? Any known good brands?

what clutch would you reccomend I run with this setup? How about gaskets on the bottom end of the engine and bearings for my rebuild? I was thinking clevite bearings, speed pro rings, fel pro gaskets/seals?

stang94X · Sep 15, 2007

despite what same people may say, fords gt-40X heads are really good, they out flow AFR165's and are really close the AFR185 and they flow better than the edelbrock heads, and when ported the GT-40X out flow the trickflow and AFR185's, after mine where ported they were flow tested and i forget the numbers but i do know they were better than the AFR185's, not only that, those heads come with 1.90 valves and the GT40X heads come with 1.94 valves, not that big of a different but little is something, when it comes to intakes Edelbrock is already dyno proven better than the aftermarket gt40 intake and the trickflow, if you do what i did and get the regular edelbrock rpm intake and have it ported, it flows more air than the rpmII intake and at a faster rate, faster moving air is better than more air, so when you have an intake that moves more air at a faster rate it is the best performance you can get, have the intake port matched to the heads and have the exhaust ports of the heads matched to what ever headers you go with, 1 5/8" or 1 3/4 ", i would suggest 1 3/4" longtubes, or if you already have 1 5/8" they will work great also, when it comes to a cam, the only thing good about the trickflow cam that comes with that kit is the exhaust lift and duration of that cam, thats it, since you want to freshen up the motor you are going to have the pistons out of it, if i were you i would get the pistons flycut a little bit and get a little bigger cam with a better duration, have a custom grind cam made, it costs about the same maybe a little more as just buying an out of the box one from somewhere or if you want to buy an out of the box one i would go with the fords F303 cam, a lot a people say fords letter cams arent good but the F cam has a .512 lift with a good strong duration, it will be a little loby at idle but it will be just fine and drives great and hell, if you get the pistons flycut you could also use fords X303 cam, it has a higher lift and a little less of a duration, its actually a better street cam than most other higher lift cams, and the best part of it all is that if you can find everything on ebay for a good price or even if you buy the heads, intake, intake elbow, cam, roller rockers, valve covers and a gasket kit brand new, its still a little cheaper than the trickflow kit that costs $2500, and doing it this way your going to have a considerable amount of more power and be just as street friendly, and as for everthing else you should run a 70mm TB, 30# injectors, get a adjustable fuel pressure regulator, about a 190 fuel pump, and of course what you do you'll need a computer tune, it is always good to freshen up the lifters, pushrods and timing chain but you dont have to, the way that i described the heads and intake is exactly what i have, its a great combo, with what i have in my sig is whats done to my car, i just ran a 13.2 in the quarter last tuesday and i have an automatic with a stock cam and stock torque converter and the only thing with my cam is 1.72 rockers and that lift and duration is less than a stock cobra cam

scott5 · Sep 15, 2007

i would say walbro 255lph fuel pump
24lb injectors at least
73mm mass air calibrated for the injectors

atleast those.. I thought that the trickflow kit came with the lifters and such?

monkeydude3 · Sep 15, 2007

Gosh sarnit... now I dunno what to do! There are so many options...

I would like to piece the stuff together and buy it little by little, it would be easier for me to do it that way.

I don't want to go too radial. I was just thinking the GT40X heads, edelbrock intake, TF stage 1 cam?

Oye... oye...

well tonight I'm gonna put the engine on the stand, and start taking it apart and see what we have. I'm gonna probably work on diassembly now and see how far I can get at home myself before I take it to school next semester. I'm so psyched about this I am probably gonna end up gettin the dang thing done rebuilt before I even get to the class, ha... guess I'll have to build another then.

Okay then if i'm going to piece it together... where do you reccomend I get my hardware from? I want to get to about 300 rwhp but i'd still like it to be driveable since I won't be the only one drivin it.

decisions decisions....

scott5 · Sep 15, 2007

well first you have to make up your mind want you want to do before you start ripping into things. I am not trying to be a d***, i am just saying before you tear it apart decide what you want to do so you know what to buy and look for. Your best bet is to buy a kit, but if you want to piece together you are going to have to decide whether parts are going to be used or what not and what you are building, what i did before i made up my mind on what i was going to build was sit down and get alot of paper and just brainstorm until you write down your perfect combo that YOU want. Then call a engine builder you know or stop down a hot rod shop and run it by them and get suggestions from there.

monkeydude3 · Sep 15, 2007

Well, see... I was going to give the bottom end a freshening up at school with stock parts, and I just want to do h/c/i to it.

So I'm going to take it apart and get it down to at least the short block so I can take that to school.

I know exactly what I want to do to it, the thing is, there are about 93429 choices I'm not sure what to do... I just want heads, cam, intake with a mild lope and somewhere near 300rwhp.

It's not gonna hurt anything to start taking apart the engine now.

scott5 · Sep 15, 2007

ok, with the short block atleast it comes with the forged crank and pistons since you are using an older style motor.. Everyone is going to have there opinions on what you should do i guess what i was really trying to say is make the decision if you are pieceing it together or buying it as a kit beause there are more kits out there than just the trickflow.. There is holley if you are doing a supercharger/turbo app, there is the ford racing kit which is supposed to be around the 300 mark. But if 300 is all you want and you are using nitrous that is not hard at all. You also have to keep in mind what kind of budget you have. Because you have to buy the other stuff to make the H/C/I work to its potential such as a cai, bigger tb, the right mass air, exhaust, fuel pump, injectors. BUt like i would suggest doing is sitting down with a bunch of paper and just brainstorm all the options that you would like to do then do a little bit of research and you will be good. It took me almost 3 months to decide what i am doing.

monkeydude3 · Sep 15, 2007

See my ultimate goal is to have her up and running a year from now. I plan to do the engine over the next few months and once she's done let her sit under a tarp in my garage while I get the injectors, fuel pump, etc etc together.

I am in the planning stages now but at the same time I'd like to get started takin it apart so wh en I take it to school, I'm all business ya know? It's a family car and I'm the mechanic of the family so I'd like to give it some real punch but also keep her streetable.

How about that ford racing kit? I've never heard of it. Man, see there are so many options. I just want h/c/i and we are keepign it N/A. no nitrous, probably no boost (some day if i have the money MAYBE) but it will most likely be a N/A car.

I appreciate all the input. I'm starting a list now of what all I want to do to it. For the CAI I know I'm going K&N.

Thanks again!!!!

monkeydude3 · Sep 15, 2007

Okay once again I'm unsure but I'm leaning more towards getting some used GT40 type stuff together.

How would it be to get a set of GT40X heads (please fill me in on how to identify these and if going used here would be ok if i replace the springs, seals, etc. I also am thinking of going with the TF stage 1 cam with a GT40 intake.

Oye

On the up side... I dropped the oil pan down on the engine to have a look see. Nothin but old oil in the pan, no shavings, no metal. I could see the bottoms of the cylinder walls where the pistons were rubbing and I can still very clearly see the factory crosshatch. Engine turns over smooth. I think I got me a good one to work with

stang94X · Sep 15, 2007

the gt40X heads will say X302 or X303, it will be X30* something

monkeydude3 · Sep 18, 2007

where would this be stamped on them?

Is there any way to see if I indeed have an engine out an 89 GT? what numbers can I look for on the stock block, rods, etc?? or is there a website with these specs you can point me towards??

thanks

monkeydude3 · Sep 18, 2007

how is this intake? seems like it comes with a lot for the price

http://www.americanmuscle.com/bbk-intake-manifold-86-93.html

stang94X · Sep 18, 2007

i dont know from personal experiance but i have heard a lot of people say it sucks and i read an artical in one of the mustangs magizines a while a go that did a dyno test on it and it was nowhere near what the edelbrock and trickflow intakes are, but then again edelbrock is the best

OnyxCobra · Sep 18, 2007

I've heard similar stuff to Stang94, so many people have problems with it, i'd go with something else.

scott5 · Sep 19, 2007

BBK = junk IMO

monkeydude3 · Sep 19, 2007

ok thanks I was really leaning towards the edelbrock anyhoo. I know the edelbrock name is good, I had a carb/intake by them on an old pickup truck and couldn't have been happier with the setup.

Thanks everyone for the constant support!