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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ttocs" data-source="post: 1119003" data-attributes="member: 11896"><p>magnets are not too bad except for them sticking to the rest of the metal areas.  For grabbing screws myself I use a tool I heard a former install buddy call "the abortion tool" and needless to say I have never got that name out of my mind.  Its basically a long/thin sprint that has 3 or 4 pieces of metal going through it with a small metal thumb button and on the other side make a claw-grabber with the metal pieces.  Push the button and the pins come out and open up allowing you to grap the screw with.  Then release the botton and ti wil grab it and hold onto it.  That is one of those tools I bought 17 yrs ago now, still see them sold but have never lost mine.  When you get it, and can use it to grab a screw that is 3"-2ft out of reach and needless to say do your happy dance and then put it back till you need it 6 months from now.  Its a must-have tool in the box IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>