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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jrgunn5150" data-source="post: 358050" data-attributes="member: 9682">More like high 14's, stock, on a good day. And by the standards of today, that's ungodly slow. By the standards of today, you need mid 12's to be able to stand tall and proud. I'm not kidding when I say I whooped on a NPI with some bolt-ons in my friggen Jeep Wrangler.... I weights 4000lbs, or more, it has a 3.8l mini van motor in it, and is rated at 200 hp... Most 94-98 V6 car's are almost as fast as the NPI, all 99-up V6 car's are as fast, and a V6 Camaro will own an NPI. You need toi watch out for Grand Prix's and Monte Carlo SS's, Nissan Altima's, Honda Accords, and Acurqa Integra's. It's pathetic, it's sad, but anyone with half a brain knows it's true. You can bring out 60 numbers until you dide, but those cars are all car's NPI guy's need to fear, period. And in the pipeline are the new Camaro, Challenger, and Ford's Hurricane engine, NPI's are sooo boned it ain't funny.But here's the thing, the car's have enormous potential, if you have money. You won't do it for cheap though, so either get used to driving a good/fast looking car that in reality is slow, or get used to the idea that you will spend at least 5k to bring it up to snuff.It's pathetic that you have to fear Civic SI's, but they are damn impressive little car's. And it's pathetic that you have to fall back to refusing to race from a roll, but you do. A good car, should be able to hold it's own against ALL commer's, in all sport's, IMO. Most stock car's can't do that, they need help, so give em some help, don't start spewing number's and refuses to race.</blockquote>