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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oleg" data-source="post: 762720" data-attributes="member: 13194">I wasn't defending Civics but Hondas in general, that was my reasoning for bringing up the S2000.Please read what I said again. I never claimed that a Civic is superior to a RWD car in a straight line, I just pointed out that people don't give Civics nowhere near the credit they deserve! That is all I was saying.A fully built FWD Civics usually run 9s and occasionally dip into 8s in the 1/4 (from what I have seen, I am not saying that I own one that fast or know what it takes to build it that fast). Fully built Mustangs are a bit faster but not by that much! (unless we are talking modified to the point where it's not a Mustang anymore) And then there are hundreds of 8 sec Mustangs for one 8sec Civic, that I can't argue with.But once again, that is not at all what I was talking about. All I was saying is that it doesn't take a rocket scientist or a lot of money to make a Honda faster than most muscle cars on the street. Once again, I did NOT say ALL muscle cars and I didn't say fully built muscle cars. No matter what you do to a street legal Civic on street legal tires, it will obviously never take a modded C6 Z06 or anything that runs with a Z06.A couple of people mentioned a GS-R swapped Civic beating a Mustang. I believe that because I have a very mildly modded Mustang and my friend has a completely stock GS-R and they run very close. That being said, a stock GS-R is nowhere near what I would call fast or even quick but it keeps up with a 4.6 Mustang that most people drool over. A stock GS-R is only 150ish whp by the way and probably 100wtq... on a good day lol.Then like somebody else mentioned, it is cheap to turbo a Honda. If you only have ~5,000K to play with, you could easily have a 90s Civic with 300-400hp.. or if you do an F/H series swap, it will have just as much torque. Not saying that is it better than a Mustang, it is just a completely different world of cars that are also also very capable. That much power in a 2000lbs car is tons and tons of fun, feels like you've got double the power you actually have, and with good tires traction shouldn't be a problem. Just a completely different experience than RWD. One thing I love about high hp FWD is that you can still DRIVE it on snow and rain with summer tires and you will never lose control.</blockquote>