2009 mustang

[AaRoN]

What Mustang they come up with, I'm sure the Camaro, Challenger, and eventually the Cuda will smash it in every way - except sales of course, Ford buyers haven't come to expect much performance from their pony cars.

Paul.

That's what- Shelby, Saleen, Roush, Steeda, SVT (rip) are for. People buy mustangs (generally) because of what it represents. An amercian icon.

 

[white98stang]

i think its time for a change...honestly i really dont care for that body style it looks just like the s197 but who knows what the real 09 will look like but if ford dont watch out the mustang will not have that "prestige" that comes with the name...if nissans and hondas are putting 300 hp engines in then ford needs to start dropping 450 hp stock to keep that american muscle trend up i dont expect any less from ford but they need to turn things around

 

[AaRoN]

I agree with you guys about the Mustang being underpowered. But if they start dropping 400-450hp engines in, who's gonna be able to afford them? Sales will drop. Mustang will lose it's head of the line status.

 

[Paul]

I agree with you guys about the Mustang being underpowered. But if they start dropping 400-450hp engines in, who's gonna be able to afford them? Sales will drop. Mustang will lose it's head of the line status.

The LSx series of engines put out that much power, and they cost GM $600 less per motor to build than Ford's OHC architecture. If Ford would give up on the stupid 281 cubic inch CRAP they're putting out now, they could actually build some horsepower on the cheap. They wouldn't need to grind two (or four) cams, huge timing chains, tensioners, huge timing covers, elaborate intake manifolds, etc. etc.

Paul.

 

[QTRHRSE]

i think this new 4"+ bore mod motor will go along way to making our power competitive.

the main problem with the current mod motor is the very small 3.55 bore

 

[OnyxCobra]

I don't think rubber floors and manual windows is a good idea, and people are always going to want leather seats. I think what they should do is work on not making it look so god damn cheap, those huge guady plastic mirrors, the pathetic excuse for a side body line, the huge cheap plastic grill. I just don't think the car flows, overall I think the S197 looks and feels cheap.

Regardless of the power output, I think the new Mustang will still be priced a good amount under the new Camaro/Challenger etc.

 

[DropTopPony]

From everything i have read the 281 will not be in the next generation but a larger bore modular engine family will. A rumored 4.0+ bore and 5.8/6.0/7.0 variations will be whats offered. If the 5.8 modular is the base engine and puts out 350hp N/A then i will be ok with that as long as it responds well to mods. Who knows for sure but we will have a hint as soon as the new engines appear in the F-150 in probably 09.

 

[AaRoN]

I agree with you guys about the Mustang being underpowered. But if they start dropping 400-450hp engines in, who's gonna be able to afford them? Sales will drop. Mustang will lose it's head of the line status.

The LSx series of engines put out that much power, and they cost GM $600 less per motor to build than Ford's OHC architecture. If Ford would give up on the stupid 281 cubic inch CRAP they're putting out now, they could actually build some horsepower on the cheap. They wouldn't need to grind two (or four) cams, huge timing chains, tensioners, huge timing covers, elaborate intake manifolds, etc. etc.

Paul.

Well Ford's mod motor has been around for alot less time than Chevy's LSx series motors. They'll get it figured out or they find something that works better. You can't knock it that much considering most Ford products out sell the competition.

 

[OnyxCobra]

From everything i have read the 281 will not be in the next generation but a larger bore modular engine family will. A rumored 4.0+ bore and 5.8/6.0/7.0 variations will be whats offered. If the 5.8 modular is the base engine and puts out 350hp N/A then i will be ok with that as long as it responds well to mods. Who knows for sure but we will have a hint as soon as the new engines appear in the F-150 in probably 09.

Yes it's supposed to get a OHC 302, a detuned version of the Parnelli Jones Saleen engine.

 

[AaRoN]

From everything i have read the 281 will not be in the next generation but a larger bore modular engine family will. A rumored 4.0+ bore and 5.8/6.0/7.0 variations will be whats offered. If the 5.8 modular is the base engine and puts out 350hp N/A then i will be ok with that as long as it responds well to mods. Who knows for sure but we will have a hint as soon as the new engines appear in the F-150 in probably 09.

Yes it's supposed to get a OHC 302, a detuned version of the Parnelli Jones Saleen engine.

i had heard they were bringing back the 302

 

[Paul]

i think this new 4"+ bore mod motor will go along way to making our power competitive.

the main problem with the current mod motor is the very small 3.55 bore

I agree. Alleviating the anemic bore will probably do wonders for power output.

From everything i have read the 281 will not be in the next generation but a larger bore modular engine family will. A rumored 4.0+ bore and 5.8/6.0/7.0 variations will be whats offered. If the 5.8 modular is the base engine and puts out 350hp N/A then i will be ok with that as long as it responds well to mods. Who knows for sure but we will have a hint as soon as the new engines appear in the F-150 in probably 09.

I think a SOHC motor with large displacement could be produced at a reasonable cost and make decent power.

Well Ford's mod motor has been around for alot less time than Chevy's LSx series motors. They'll get it figured out or they find something that works better. You can't knock it that much considering most Ford products out sell the competition.

Actually, the modular platform has been in place LONGER than the LS-series.

Modulars hit the streets at least as early as the 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII which was sold in 1992. There may be even earlier ones, but I'm not an expert on all the cars and trucks mod motors are in.


Paul.

 

[DropTopPony]

I think the engine Don Bowles is running in his Roush car is a 7.0, larger bore 2V Modular thats making in the 800hp range without a power adder...supposedly its the test engine for the next line of F150/Mustang engines.

 

[trav_19]

everything bob is talking about is in the new 5.0 mustang and super fords mag....they talk a little about the new motors and how they will debut in the f150 ....there is rumor it will be a pushrod motor still... ;D but they say it will more likely be a mod. but having a option of a 7.0L ....now were talking ...serious cubes FINALLY!!!!

 

[Javi]

I think the engine Don Bowles is running in his Roush car is a 7.0, larger bore 2V Modular thats making in the 800hp range without a power adder...supposedly its the test engine for the next line of F150/Mustang engines.

thats right the 777, 7.0 liter,700 horse power at 7,000 RPM



LSX SERIES MY :ass3:

 

[AaRoN]

Well Ford's mod motor has been around for alot less time than Chevy's LSx series motors. They'll get it figured out or they find something that works better. You can't knock it that much considering most Ford products out sell the competition.

Actually, the modular platform has been in place LONGER than the LS-series.

Modulars hit the streets at least as early as the 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII which was sold in 1992. There may be even earlier ones, but I'm not an expert on all the cars and trucks mod motors are in.


Paul.

well what i meant was the PUSHROD MOTOR has been around MUCH longer than the MOD MOTOR. it's basically a new technology in terms of the internal combustion engine.

 

[trav_19]

we need pushrods back!

 

[TxCobrA98]

no doubt that 7.0 would be sweet in a stang..


but also, i dont know much about the economic stand point in things as far as sales and competetion and stuff between automakers..

not all people in this world want a 500 horsepower mustang. i think what ford will end up doing is maybe upping the ante just a bit on the base model GT's but to compete with the new camaro, challenger, i bet we will still have to look towards the shelby's to outperform. reason is, i dont think ford could produce 5 different GT combo's with all different motors. thats why they have the shelby's and saleens and roushes for that.. while they are expensive, i dont see how they would keep making sales if they changed the base model GT to the power of a shelby.

because not all people are like us and want that 500 horsepower engine. then again, not everyone wants a v6..

i guess help me understand how ford could offer something for everyone...

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Well Ford's mod motor has been around for alot less time than Chevy's LSx series motors. They'll get it figured out or they find something that works better. You can't knock it that much considering most Ford products out sell the competition.

Actually, the modular platform has been in place LONGER than the LS-series.

Modulars hit the streets at least as early as the 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII which was sold in 1992. There may be even earlier ones, but I'm not an expert on all the cars and trucks mod motors are in.


Paul.

well what i meant was the PUSHROD MOTOR has been around MUCH longer than the MOD MOTOR. it's basically a new technology in terms of the internal combustion engine.

Yeah, Chevy and Dodge both took those millions invested in NASCAR and learned something, building very capable engines, Ford on the other hand, just like Ford, pissed all that knowledge away and did something completely random.

The mod motor is physically huge, making it hard to package, and not modular at all. Ideal, you would be able to make V6 variants also, and they would fit in everything from the Fusion, Ranger, up through the Crown Vic, Epedition XL. They also limited the size potential, another bone head move, sonce most of the V8's wind up in truck's.

IMO, the mod motor is nearly as dumb a move as that poster I have of a 1987 Probe/Mustang GT

 

[Javi]

:nonono: dont look good

 

[AaRoN]

am I the only one that actually LIKES mustangs?? :dunno: