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2009 mustang
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tRaV_19 said:
so start us some new threads. we already hijacked and whored up all these.
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tRaV_19 said:
just means that PI doesn't fall on it's face after 4 grand...it's still alive.
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tRaV_19 said:
midrange power really. 3-5k (p.i.)
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tRaV_19 said:
honestly npi's not bad till about 4k then it's like it's suffocating
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SilverSol said:
The GT500 is the new Cobra
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OnyxCobra said:SilverSol said:
The GT500 is the new Cobra
no I mean take the GT500 badge off and call it the Cobra....
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right and take the shelby off and put on SVT...SVT everywhere...
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Carrol Shelby is a money hungry brand whore.... I don't care what he did back in the dayu, I remember the Shelby Omni, and him getting busted selling kit car Cobra replica's with leftover vin plates on them like they were authentic... SVT did design the car, it does say SVT on the door sill.
But for me, I think they need to ditch the "option package's" and bring back option's. Let me put a GT500 motor into a stripped v6 model, with an auto, if I want to. Let me load up a V6, if I want to. The way they run thing's now, which is build all the car's they can, in configurations they think will sell (Black GT Premium, Premium interior, auto, or whatever), then worry about how to sell them at the end of the year, is wasteful and retarded IMO.
But for me, I think they need to ditch the "option package's" and bring back option's. Let me put a GT500 motor into a stripped v6 model, with an auto, if I want to. Let me load up a V6, if I want to. The way they run thing's now, which is build all the car's they can, in configurations they think will sell (Black GT Premium, Premium interior, auto, or whatever), then worry about how to sell them at the end of the year, is wasteful and retarded IMO.
I'm going to try to throw out some perspective, if I can remember everything....
SVT is still alive. SVT is involved in the Shelby Mustangs. Right now Ford has to straighten out their core car business before they can put any money and effort into SVT, or else there won't be any SVT or Ford. Gotta pay the bills before you can play.
The modular engine has been around since before the incarnation of the Chevy smallblock. Take a peek into a Sherman tank and you will find a Ford modular motor, no kidding. Hasn't anyone seen the video of the guy who dropped one of these engines into his 1969 Mustang?? It's only about 1,000 cubic inches!!
As for Ford building bigger, badder engines.......THe Federal government is going to pass SOME sort of average fuel mileage legislation that the manufacturers will have to meet. This will require more engines and cars that get better fuel mileage, on average. Building a run of horrible fuel mileage engines is going to eat greatly into that average and is not a wise decision. Even more fuel mileage requirements will be passed after that, not to mention alternative fuel legislation. It is a different world we live in.
A little more perspective.....in 1985 the Mustang GT, who's only competition was the turbo'd Buick Grand National (considered "cheating" by many purists) had a 302 that put out 210 HP and was at the top of it's game. The V-6 you get in the current Mustang puts out 263 HP!! When the '05 was introduced I heard and read next to nothing negative about the HP to $$$$ ratio.....nobody else was offering 300 HP for only $24,000 and was touted by magazines as one of the best deals in town. That's another reason for the car's popularity. This was accomplished with only 281 cubic inches.
Now that the car has been around for 3 years and people are used to it these accomplishments seem forgotten, especially when we see other versions of the Mustang with 500 HP. While our enthusiast dreams are being debated here there is legislation and "changing times" that are having a profound effect on our hobby, but these are being ignored.
Ford announced last week that they will be introducing GTDI V-6 engines in 2009 model year.....Gas Turbo Direct Injected engines. These will produce V-8 power figures (and if the current V-6 is producing the power of the 1985 V-8 how much do you think they mean?) and will give fuel mileage of a V-6, would you be game? Would you like a 325 HP hotrod that gets 30 MPG? Ford thinks a lot of people would. Will this engine get into the Mustang? I don't know.
I think what they should do is work on not making it look so god damn cheap, those huge guady plastic mirrors, the pathetic excuse for a side body line, the huge cheap plastic grill. I just don't think the car flows, overall I think the S197 looks and feels cheap.
Unfortunately you were born in the wrong era. The days of vinyl covered, padded door skins and metal interior trim and side mirrors are gone. Recyclable, light weight components are in for fuel mileage, emmissions, and environmental concerns. Also plastic injection molded parts are much cheaper than stampings.
I agree with you guys about the Mustang being underpowered. But if they start dropping 400-450hp engines in, who's gonna be able to afford them? Sales will drop. Mustang will lose it's head of the line status.
Dead on. We are not the only Mustang customers. There are tens of thousands of others that are not looking for the performance level or modification ability that most people here are interested in, and they help pay the bills too.
As much as we all love the Mustang hobby we have to consider the big picture, the business aspect of it from the manufacturer's point of view.....Ford's present situation and restoring themselves to profitablilty first. On top of that is the new era, high oil and gas prices, enviromental concerns of the public, and other related issues. Yeah, it takes all the fun out of it but it can't be ignored.
Steve
SVT is still alive. SVT is involved in the Shelby Mustangs. Right now Ford has to straighten out their core car business before they can put any money and effort into SVT, or else there won't be any SVT or Ford. Gotta pay the bills before you can play.
The modular engine has been around since before the incarnation of the Chevy smallblock. Take a peek into a Sherman tank and you will find a Ford modular motor, no kidding. Hasn't anyone seen the video of the guy who dropped one of these engines into his 1969 Mustang?? It's only about 1,000 cubic inches!!
As for Ford building bigger, badder engines.......THe Federal government is going to pass SOME sort of average fuel mileage legislation that the manufacturers will have to meet. This will require more engines and cars that get better fuel mileage, on average. Building a run of horrible fuel mileage engines is going to eat greatly into that average and is not a wise decision. Even more fuel mileage requirements will be passed after that, not to mention alternative fuel legislation. It is a different world we live in.
A little more perspective.....in 1985 the Mustang GT, who's only competition was the turbo'd Buick Grand National (considered "cheating" by many purists) had a 302 that put out 210 HP and was at the top of it's game. The V-6 you get in the current Mustang puts out 263 HP!! When the '05 was introduced I heard and read next to nothing negative about the HP to $$$$ ratio.....nobody else was offering 300 HP for only $24,000 and was touted by magazines as one of the best deals in town. That's another reason for the car's popularity. This was accomplished with only 281 cubic inches.
Now that the car has been around for 3 years and people are used to it these accomplishments seem forgotten, especially when we see other versions of the Mustang with 500 HP. While our enthusiast dreams are being debated here there is legislation and "changing times" that are having a profound effect on our hobby, but these are being ignored.
Ford announced last week that they will be introducing GTDI V-6 engines in 2009 model year.....Gas Turbo Direct Injected engines. These will produce V-8 power figures (and if the current V-6 is producing the power of the 1985 V-8 how much do you think they mean?) and will give fuel mileage of a V-6, would you be game? Would you like a 325 HP hotrod that gets 30 MPG? Ford thinks a lot of people would. Will this engine get into the Mustang? I don't know.
I think what they should do is work on not making it look so god damn cheap, those huge guady plastic mirrors, the pathetic excuse for a side body line, the huge cheap plastic grill. I just don't think the car flows, overall I think the S197 looks and feels cheap.
Unfortunately you were born in the wrong era. The days of vinyl covered, padded door skins and metal interior trim and side mirrors are gone. Recyclable, light weight components are in for fuel mileage, emmissions, and environmental concerns. Also plastic injection molded parts are much cheaper than stampings.
I agree with you guys about the Mustang being underpowered. But if they start dropping 400-450hp engines in, who's gonna be able to afford them? Sales will drop. Mustang will lose it's head of the line status.
Dead on. We are not the only Mustang customers. There are tens of thousands of others that are not looking for the performance level or modification ability that most people here are interested in, and they help pay the bills too.
As much as we all love the Mustang hobby we have to consider the big picture, the business aspect of it from the manufacturer's point of view.....Ford's present situation and restoring themselves to profitablilty first. On top of that is the new era, high oil and gas prices, enviromental concerns of the public, and other related issues. Yeah, it takes all the fun out of it but it can't be ignored.
Steve
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Steve- You just summed up like 50 threads on here. You should copy that and then paste it into some other threads.
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Mr. OAM said:
I'm not saying I want the Mustang to be built like a Mercedes (for example) but some of the stuff I've seen with the S197 I just find totally unacceptable. If I put my car next to an S197 overall I think the fit and finish looks a ton better on mine. I'm not saying my car is built better but at least it doesn't LOOK cheap. Compare the side mirrors for example, the new ones are just plain ugly as hell. Yes the interior of my car is full of plastic but I've never cut my hand open cleaning my gauges or steering wheel like i have on the new mustangs. The whole style of the radio and center console, e brake, and door panels of the new mustangs I just think looks so nasty, I would never buy one. I could go on. All that being said, the new Mustangs do ride and drive beautifully.
i want large cubes and HORRIBLE gas milage....if ford drops that piece of shit 6 in the mustangs and gloats 30 mpg i will buy a damn chevy and sell my cars ...i hate this damn mpg shit...its a damn performance car not a damn civic!!!!!!! dont get a mustang as a dd its a TOY!!!! :slap: im in a bad mood and im getting sick of ford and the government setting these rules for emissions minimum mpg and all that ...let ME decide what I want ....
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tRaV_19 said:
You alright Trav? :-\
im grumpy lol
i hate bills and everything holidays ad to it....being laid off for some time put me into a crunch and now im trying to think about holidays and its annoying....if i could just get rid of this stupid fox i would be a happy man :hammer: but ford is still trying to make the mustang a probe ....i hope ford does use the 6 cylinder and while there at it make it fwd and have a station wagon option.... :lame:
i hate bills and everything holidays ad to it....being laid off for some time put me into a crunch and now im trying to think about holidays and its annoying....if i could just get rid of this stupid fox i would be a happy man :hammer: but ford is still trying to make the mustang a probe ....i hope ford does use the 6 cylinder and while there at it make it fwd and have a station wagon option.... :lame:
