Anyone Familiar With The Ford E-Series Van?

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  1. Ferocious

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    I'm currently looking to sell my 4R70W from my mustang and I have a guy with a 4th gen E-series van who needs a new one. His car has the 4.2L V6.
    I'm wondering if mine will fit in there without any issues. I read that some use the AODE and some the 4R70W.

    Would it be safe to run a 4R70W instead of the AODE even with the slightly different gearing? Would this cause problems?
    Does anyone know if the bellhousing on the 4.2 will match up to the 4.6 since the bellhousings on the AODE isn't removable?
     
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    IIRC, the 4R70W is better than the AODE and can be built up nearly bullet proof. A 5R55s would be sick.. As for the bellhousing, I'll research that.
     
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    I have no idea but I was really hoping when I saw [MENTION=10188]white95[/MENTION] was the last post about a van... That he was gonna post that pic of his Forza Candy Van.... LOL
     
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    What year is this van?


    IIRC, the E series were the same as the f-150 4.2. I know if you hook up a auto with the 4.2 in a mustang you need the correct flex plate, not sure if there's a difference between the autos for hooking up. And if it bolted up I'm not sure if there's going to be another conflict on the van either.

    Mainly only know about manual + 4.2.
     
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    I'm not entirely sure on the year of the van. My mechanic called me and told me his neighbor needs a new tranny.

    I know its the current generation (fourth generation 1992–2014).

    So I've heard. But will it be safe to replace the AODE with a 4R70W?

    And thank Josef. Hopefully the bellhousings match up. I've searched on wiki but I'm damn near lost.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_bellhousing_patterns

    List of Ford bellhousing patterns

    Later Windsor V8 pattern


    • 200 I6 1978-1983 only, partial (4 of 6 bolts) pattern.
    • 250 I6
    • 255 V8
    • 289 V8 - (made after August 3, 1964) - had 6 bolts holding bellhousing to block
    • 302 Cleveland (Australia)
    • 351 Cleveland V8 (not the 351 Cleveland M-block engine)
    • 351 Boss
    • 351 Cobra Jet
    • 302 Windsor V8
    • 351 Windsor V8
    • 400 Cleveland M-block V8 aka 400FMX (certain 1973 casting numbers D1AE and D3AE, mated to the FMX transmission)
    • 3.8/3.9/4.2L Canadian Essex 90° V6 (RWD only) - his engine
    • 240 I6
    • 300 I6
    • 4.6L Modular V8 (first two casting runs, numbers F1AE and F2VE) - my engine
    • 5.0L V8
    • 5.8L V8
     
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    The 4.2 (larger displacement 3.8L) bellhousing pattern is (should be anyways) the same as the 302/5.0L/351W/5.8L.

    So a trans from a mod motor car will not bolt up.
     
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    I'm gonna research this further but it seems the 3.8/4.2 and 5.0/5.8 share bellhousings (which makes sense because I've swapped a T5 from a 5.0 to a 3.8) and the 4R70w has an intergral bellhousing. This means you need one from, say, an '01 GT.

    http://forums.tccoa.com/showpost.php?p=375298&postcount=12
     
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    The bell housing pattern is different for a 4.6L or 5.0L/3.8L/4.2L engine and the two are incompatible. The two case types can be distinguished by looking at the starter flange area. If the starter has three attaching bolts, the case fits only 4.6L engines. A two-bolt starter indicates a 5.0L/3.8L/4.2L compatible case (casting number may begin with "F4ZP", not available before 1994)
     
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    ^^ bingo.. Thanks for the information Mr. Opal.
     
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    No problem
     
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    Thank you sir!

    That helps alot. I'll continue my search for a buyer.