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Any of you guys have a guess to what the compression on my 1996 would be with pi heads not ported or anything flat top pistons and block decked .010?
 

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PI heads and flat top pistons will yield something like 12.5:1 CR. Not sure what it is going to be with the block decked .010 over. But it will be higher.
 

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I thought it is around 11.9:1. YOu have to get flycuts, so that lowers it a bit, but i dont think 12.5:1 is correct, but it may be.
 

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MustangMatt96GT said:
I thought it is around 11.9:1. YOu have to get flycuts, so that lowers it a bit, but i dont think 12.5:1 is correct, but it may be.

It is correct. Flat tops and NPI heads is around 11.5:1. My motor going into my car will be flat tops and PI heads and be around 12.5:1.
 
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damn...this may be a dumb question but can I run 93 octane with that or will it have to be higher?
 

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yea good tune and you will have a hellava moster motor. It will sound killer tooo.
 

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Yep, you will need a good conservative tune for the street. But then get a second program for the track and race fuel.
 

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Yep, you will need a good conservative tune for the street. But then get a second program for the track and race fuel.

SnakedMark8... Regarding the tune, when I get the motor in my car and go to fire it up for the first time, should I put race fuel in it to drive it to the tuner? I have two tuners within a 30-45 minute drive. I will be around 12.5:1 on my motor.
 

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If you still have the stock programming you'll be fine with 92/93 octane. Just don't get into it until you have a tune in it.
 

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If you still have the stock programming you'll be fine with 92/93 octane. Just don't get into it until you have a tune in it.

Awesome! Have you ever heard anything about Bamachips? Their website is Bamachips.com.... Just wondering if you heard anything good/bad about him?
 

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They do a lot of the Rangers, Explorers and smaller 4s and 6s with turbos. I've had several customer of theirs come to me after a tune from them. I can't see their programming so I don't know what they did. I know that those that came to me were happy when I was done. Maybe with you being there you will have better luck than the mail order guys did. I've also helped them with out when they had a problem vehicle. We have a tuner's forum so I see him on there all the time. Not saying they are bad, they are a much larger company than me so their percentage of unhappy customers will be higher. And like I've posted before, mail order is the hardest type of tuning.
 

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Im running -3cc pistons with PI heads and 20 degrees of timing on 93 octane and drive it everyday. I think my compression is around 11.8:1, somewhere in there give or take a few.
 

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well let me ask you this... did you have to fly cut the pistons? You running the stock pi cam or aftermarket and if so which? thanks
 
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I talked to tim at mph the other day and i have decided not to go with the flat tops. He told me he would have to turn the timing way down and it would not run like i wanted it to. So i may just port my heads or something...I really want at least 300 hp when i get this thing finished
 

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My pistons are not flycut, I have Comp XE262Ah cams. They are timed and index correctly and they clear the pistons with no issues.

I will say one thing though, a guy was building an identical engine as mine and using the XE270Ah to my knowledge had PTV issues when they were trying to time the cams. They eventually went with VT stage 2's and had no issues and the guy is still to this day running those cams with the -3cc pistons.

Having to take too much timing out, comes down to just how good he could tune it. I have 20 degrees on 93 octane. That is a conservative tune if I wanted to max the timing we found with stock ignition could be put up to about 24 degrees of timing. At 25 degrees it started to have a slight knock and since I was not racing I told him to leave it a little low, so we agreed on 20.

Just throwing that information out there.

The guy I was telling you about with -3cc pistons, VT Stg 2's, mildly ported heads, LT's put out pretty close to 300rwhp in a 5spd. I think the exact numbers were something like 295, I believe.

Just to give you an idea of what your options are with the -3cc pistons.

If you are going to stay N/A or even spray nitrous then I would definitely get the compression up, but thats me, it's your car.

Hope it helps.
Good Luck

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