Have some questions

mangosmoothie · Apr 24, 2013

I came to a Mustang forum so obviously I'm going to get biased answers to some of the questions but please answer honestly.

1. Can you get a SN95 GT without fog lights? I'm 99.9% sure you can on the GTS and 248A package. My friend claims its impossible. I mentioned the GTS and he said ALL GT's came with fog lights. I said he didn't know what the GTS was. He said he knew enough to know all GT's had fog lights.
2. Do a V8 and V6 sound similar? I can't tell a 4.6 from a 5.0 all the time but I can always hear the raspyness of the V6 and can always tell it apart from a V8.
3. Do you think this mustang is a 5.0 judging my sound? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQTowRrmQik and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKa67y-Jiu8 my friend claims its a V6 with a 5.0 badge slapped on it
4. Do SN95's handle well compared to a 944S? How about a Mazda3?
5. Are SN95-97 GT's (not Cobras) the best handling GT's ever made? I dont see how they'd out handle a new 5.0.

I'm asking these questions so I can educate my friend. He has a 95 V6 auto with bolt ons (cai, pulleys, magnaflow dual exhaust) and a GT front sway bar and goes around talking about how fast it is and how well it handles.

His brother has a 95 V6 auto as well. But its a little more modded. cai, headers, magnaflow duals, 4.10 gears, dyno tune, sub frame connectors, strut brace, and upgraded sway bars of some sort. Even with all those mods I dont think it would handle as well as a 944S. It'd probably be close to a Mazda3 with an upgraded rear sway bar but even then I think Mazda has the handling edge. That live rear axle and additional weight compared to both cars don't help handling in comparison at all.

Orange 94 · Apr 24, 2013

1. I dont think every gt had fogs, not a 100% sure. Don't know all the little facts off heart. If I get bored I'll look it up in a book later.
2. V8s sound much different than v6s typically. Can tell in the tone and speed of sound.
3. Too lazy to watch
4. No idea. Hard to compare the handling of completely different types of cars.
5. no, sn95 Gt's are not the best handling mustangs.

Pete@FTR · Apr 24, 2013

+1 to everything he said ^^

Orange 94 said:
3. Too lazy to watch

Hahaha

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OnyxCobra · Apr 24, 2013

GTS didn't come with fog lights or power windows or leather or anything really, like a base V6 inside and out with a V8.

I'd have to guess a 944 would outhandle a stock SN95 just cause its a Porsche.

I'd say that's a 5.0, sounds like flowmasters to me but its hard to tell riding in a weedwacker that's pulling away from it.

and your friend sounds a little....uneducated.

mangosmoothie · Apr 24, 2013

I'm going to link him to this thread. Hopefully he'll make an account and you guys can educate him further. He really has a nice example of a SN95 and takes good care of it. He just thinks he knows way more than he actually does. It bothers me because he just adds to the bad rep of Mustang owners.

You guys have some sick sn95's by the way.

RichV · Apr 24, 2013

So you're educating your friend on our account. Okey dokey.

Mustangs handle like crap. 944 no way. Mazda3, dunno. It's a econo box, but has a hot rod cousin. Which one?

if you can't tell between a V6 and a V8, you're not a car guy. If you can't tell the difference between a 4.6 and a 5.0 you're not a Mustang guy.

mangosmoothie · Apr 24, 2013

RichV said:
So you're educating your friend on our account. Okey dokey.

Mustangs handle like crap. 944 no way. Mazda3, dunno. It's a econo box, but has a hot rod cousin. Which one?

if you can't tell between a V6 and a V8, you're not a car guy. If you can't tell the difference between a 4.6 and a 5.0 you're not a Mustang guy.

I figured the best way to educate him was through other Mustang guys. He will probably be more inclined to listen to people that own Mustangs haha.

The encobox with an upgraded rear sway bar. (the rsb is the weak point of the encobox version)

And right. I'm not a Mustang expert by any means. Thats why I came here.

RichV · Apr 25, 2013

Lol, it's cool, I'm just bustin' your chops.

Well the good news is with some choice parts, that Mustang will stomp a 944. Another popular race series in my region is 944 Spec, a SN95 CMC Mustang will stomp the 944 at all tracks except Hastings. For some reason the 944 has an advantage there. I think it's because it's a slow track with a lot of sharp turns and the 944 can carry more speed since it's lighter and has a little better weight distribution. The Mazda3, I have no idea. I had a buddy with one, but I never took note of it's performance charecteristics. The Mazdaspeed one, I'd probably say it can hold its own.

Go do some open track events. Download a Trackmaster App for your phone and compare laptimes.

What the Mustang needs is good sticky tires (at least a 275 at each corner), upgraded brake pads (Hawk or Carbotech performance steet), H&R or Eibach progressive springs, better shocks at all corners, and lower rear control arms. If you can replace all the old worn out bushings with poly, you'll be ahead of the game. Then, the last and most important, someone at the driver seat that knows how to drive.

shorty · Apr 25, 2013

Thats for sure a v8 that needs a driver mod

sleepin96 · Apr 25, 2013

OnyxCobra said:
and your friend sounds a little....Retarded.

fixt

mangosmoothie · Apr 25, 2013

RichV said:
Lol, it's cool, I'm just bustin' your chops.

Well the good news is with some choice parts, that Mustang will stomp a 944. Another popular race series in my region is 944 Spec, a SN95 CMC Mustang will stomp the 944 at all tracks except Hastings. For some reason the 944 has an advantage there. I think it's because it's a slow track with a lot of sharp turns and the 944 can carry more speed since it's lighter and has a little better weight distribution. The Mazda3, I have no idea. I had a buddy with one, but I never took note of it's performance charecteristics. The Mazdaspeed one, I'd probably say it can hold its own.

Go do some open track events. Download a Trackmaster App for your phone and compare laptimes.

What the Mustang needs is good sticky tires (at least a 275 at each corner), upgraded brake pads (Hawk or Carbotech performance steet), H&R or Eibach progressive springs, better shocks at all corners, and lower rear control arms. If you can replace all the old worn out bushings with poly, you'll be ahead of the game. Then, the last and most important, someone at the driver seat that knows how to drive.

To be fair, the mustang has a hp advantage over a little 944. 944's have like 150 at the crank, 944S's have 188 and 944 S2's have about 200 hp. The 944 turbo has 220ish I think. Mustangs have at least 215. But I was speaking solely from the handling perspective. Which one will take the turns better? However, I'm thinking a track prepped 944 S2 or Turbo vs a track prepped sn95 would be a killer race.

shorty said:
Thats for sure a v8 that needs a driver mod

Eh, its an automatic and it probably wasn't running as well as the day it left Ford's factory.

OnyxCobra · Apr 25, 2013

sleepin96 said:
fixt

yeah well, i was trying to be nice lol

gate keeper · Apr 25, 2013

So all of this talk about your friend knowing a lot about GT's.

And he has a v6?

Burninrock24 · Apr 26, 2013

1. No idea

2. Yes. V6 is higher pitched and has more reverberation. They can sound droney if you will.

3. To be honest it's hard to tell because the effing integra was so loud. But the second video sounded like a V8. Mind you it has an automatic and if it's stock it really is slow as shit.

4. In stock form no. The SN95 chassis is sloppy as a pornstars meat curtains. But with some weld-in subframe connectors, some control arms, proper shocks and springs, and provided it's not a convertible then it will hold it's own. It's no Miata though. The 944 isn't a perfect chassis either. Mazda 3. I'd give it to the mustang if you have the above mods. Otherwise it's a drivers race.

5. LOLOL NO I'm pulling this number out of my ass, but the chassis in the current 5.0 is 234.574% stiffer. If there was a best handling mustang ever, it would be a Boss 302 or a Y2K Cobra R. Griggs makes a GR40 system for the SN95 that is pretty world-class. But it costs like $11K.

Here is how sloppy the chassis is:

It's a badass picture, but that much flexing is the sign of a horrible chassis. That's probably with subframe connectors.

Venom351R · Apr 26, 2013

The car in the video was a stock GT Auto which is about as slow as it gets for V8's in the past 20 years ( Even though back then it was fast ) You can tell from the stock waffle wheels on it and it did not sound like a V6, it was just slow and had a crappy driver.

Other then what was mentioned with the 2000 Cobra R and the new Boss 302 no Mustang handles that well stock. The 97 GT is deff not the best handling Mustang, a 97 GT stock is not the best at anything.

As far as how well it handles to the other cars you mention its all irrelevant b/c there are so many good suspension company's out there that you can take any stock crappy handing Mustang and turn it into a corner carving track monster. Who cares what a car does stock, its what you can do with it in terms of the aftermarket that are important. My car was slow as balls when it left Dearborn MI almost 20 yrs ago but that's not so much the case now.

Tell your friend to sign up, we would be more then happy to educate him some b/c he does appear to be lacking some knowledge. I'm a bit biased but as far as great handling cars out of the factory its hard to beat Subaru STI's

mangosmoothie · Apr 27, 2013

Well shit guys. I showed him this thread and "none of you know what you're talking about. The Mustang is know for its great handling. And that car in the race was definitely a V6. No way a V8 could lose. It has so much more torque than the integra" I tried to save him and make him a good Mustang owner. I really did. I know that you guys on here aren't like him. It just sucks guys like him carry that stigma over to the whole Mustang community. On an unrelated note, this is a pretty cool forum. Since I don't own a Mustang I probably won't post much anymore but I'll be browsing, looking at build threads, etc. Some of your cars over here are wicked.

MustangChris · Apr 27, 2013

1.The GTS and 248a options did not have fog lights.

I know because I own one.

2. They sound nothing alike. especially past 3,000 RPMs.

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQTowRrmQik - cant tell over the brig's and straton v-tak noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKa67y-Jiu8 - sounds more like a v8 to me.

4. no. not without a lot of effort and money.

5. f**k no.

"I'm asking these questions so I can educate my friend. He has a 95 V6 auto with bolt ons (cai, pulleys, magnaflow dual exhaust) and a GT front sway bar and goes around talking about how fast it is and how well it handles."

Find smarter friends.

"His brother has a 95 V6 auto as well. But its a little more modded. cai, headers, magnaflow duals, 4.10 gears, dyno tune, sub frame connectors, strut brace, and upgraded sway bars of some sort. Even with all those mods I dont think it would handle as well as a 944S. It'd probably be close to a Mazda3 with an upgraded rear sway bar but even then I think Mazda has the handling edge. That live rear axle and additional weight compared to both cars don't help handling in comparison at all."

the live rear axle will not add any additional weight. at least not enough to notice. I've dropped tens of thousands of dollars into my mustang, some of which went into the suspension (completely over-hauled) and it still handles like a shopping cart going down a hill backwards.

mangosmoothie · Apr 27, 2013

I know I need smarter friends. He's just the only dude I met that I thought was a car guy.

MustangChris said:
the live rear axle will not add any additional weight. at least not enough to notice. I've dropped tens of thousands of dollars into my mustang, some of which went into the suspension (completely over-hauled) and it still handles like a shopping cart going down a hill backwards.

And I just meant the lra doesnt help handling over the 3 and 944S and neither does the general curb weight of a SN95 over a 3 or 944S which are both around 2900 lbs. Not that lighter is always better but generally it is.

MustangChris · Apr 27, 2013

it can help in cornering as it can help push the inner wheel through a turn whereas a open-diff will have "pull" that inner wheel from the outside of the turn (if that makes sense)

I'm in no way an open-track expert.

but i hear what you're saying.

mangosmoothie · Apr 27, 2013

MustangChris said:
it can help in cornering as it can help push the inner wheel through a turn whereas a open-diff will have "pull" that inner wheel from the outside of the turn (if that makes sense)

I'm in no way an open-track expert.

but i hear what you're saying.

The 944S I had was equipped with a limited slip. It was really neutral and never got out of my hands unless I tried to get it tail happy. Then it was still controllable. The Mazda is weird. It's really nimble and can take turns quick but the problem is when you approach its limit. It will push like a typical fwd car then has snap oversteer which almost put me into ditch. Part of that is due to the terrible all season tires on it. But I mean it far exceeded my expectations for an economy car. When I rode in my friends sn95 he was dude check how fast this is. So we got up to 100 and I'm like slow down! Theres a big curve! and he's like I can take it. So we enter the curve and the car has a good amount of body roll and I can feel it just pushing like a pick up truck. Scary as hell. I'd imagine its better with some new shocks and struts and decent tires.