Low dyno numbers

[Venom351R]

well Ed still has them lol, They have not been shipped to me yet but they should be soon. At least once they are here I can get the PVC checked and the correct length pushrods and new lifters.

The 185's were nice heads but being 72cc Combustion chambers they were killing the compression and I tossed around for along time of what heads to get and asked on many forums and got to many different opinions so I went back to Ed since he did my cam. He suggested the Highports to curb any PVC issues since that was one of my concerns and he suggested the 240cc heads. When I asked why such a big head since the engine is still only a 351 and not a hoged out 418 or anything like that and he said this "Also, don't think port volume (205, 225, 240 or 250) you have to think cross section. Each cylinder head has a different runner length and as such a 240 volume high port is not going to have the same cross section as a 230 volume twisted wedge. Sam for the 225 AFR heads with their middle length runners. I prefer to get the correct port shape, cross section and bowl volume and whatever the overall ports size it ends up, so be it."

so with those heads, the long tubes, the Victor EFI I should be putting out some good numbers once its all tuned again. Im not chasing dyno numbers b/c if I was I would have just repaired the 185's thrown a turbo on it and pumped out 550 and be done w/ it. But being that it is a 351 I feel as though it should put on numbers stating such. This is my last attempt at reaching the 11's NA so I'll either get it w/ this combo or I wont.

 

[LAFENATU]

Take your wedge heads and add in a ported EFI Victor Jr (carb style) and the best 90 degree elbow you can find and guess what? The overall flow from throttle body to intake valve is better than the wedge heads and a Performer intake. Most people just don't get it. Like the guys who still can't figure out why Tim Flander's 408 stroker with a stock Twisted Wedge head can run in the 10 teens all day long.

Everyone is saying port the snot out of them but they can make a budget Windsor run faster than a lot of the small block Ford *internet heros* high dollar engines.

 

[BlkoutGT]

95boss351... Ya thats true he gets skidish with stuff he didn't or doesn't know who built it. Same with stock bottom end car. But maybe you can sweet talk him into pushing it a little more on Saturday lol. But as long as the drive ability is there, just enjoy it for the summer (since warm weather is right around the corner here in MI). And focus on bigger numbers for your winter engine build. Good luck man!

Venom351R... I can't wait till you get it back together and get some numbers (both track and dyno). Ed suggested some of his hi-ports to me as well but they are a little out of my price range. So Im still deciding what to get lol. But Im sure you wont be disappointed this time around.

 

[BlkoutGT]

Ya there are some guys flying with the (little) wedges. Would be nice to find out the tricks to setting up a combo to run as good as them.

 

[95boss351]

blkoutgt- lmao yea thts the plan. he doesnt know i have a bullet proof bottom end. im not even worried abt it. its still a fun car. i will probally hit mid 2 high 12's NA and and mid to high 11's on spray. Tht will b enuff 4 the summer.

 

[LAFENATU]

Ya there are some guys flying with the (little) wedges. Would be nice to find out the tricks to setting up a combo to run as good as them.

Talk to Ed Curtis..he's the one that helped Tim with that engine setup.

 

[BLOWN 95GT]

The twisted wedge heads can still make big power. I know I made 560rwhp with some and about to try for 650 to 700. Boss what kind of power are you making on the spray? If you are running nitrous why are you worried about what it puts out N/A?

 

[95boss351]

we didnt do any pulls with the spray because of all the vacum leaks. hopefully i can get sum numbers this weekend and i wanted a decently powered NA car b4 the nitrous but im pretty sure its gonna b a quick car regardless. i havent even sprayed the car yet. have issues setting up my window switch with the W.O.T. switch

 

[BLOWN 95GT]

The heads should be the least of your worries. If I were you I would get a better intake, and start building the rearend and finding a built transmission because with a 175 shot that 351 is going to be a torque monster! Are you going to hit it with the full 175 all at one time or you going to run a progressive controller. And I guess that since your running the 42lb. injectors your running a dry shot right?

 

[95boss351]

The intake is already my 1st priority. yea the rearend is my next project 4 the year. The 150 and 175 shots are only 4 the track, the 80 and 125 shot is for the street. I havent heard of a progessive controller. wat is tht? and naw i have a wet kit. I heard its the safest. I have a built T5 right now, but i will b goin 2 a TKO600RR when it finallys grenade

 

[Paul]

If you have a wet kit, you don't need 42 lb injectors. Wet kits add their own fuel. My 418 ci Windsor used 36 lb injectors, and had a 250 shot plate kit.

Also, those dyno numbers are right in line with what I would expect for that combination. The folks are right, bigger intake, and probably a bigger cam.

Paul.

 

[BLOWN 95GT]

Paul is right the 42' are big for what you are doing I would use 24's or 30's with a 351 and a wet kit. But if you plan on stroking it later or running a supercharger or something they should be good to 500hp. A progressive controller starts nitrous flow at any level you set (from 0% to 100%) and then gradually brings in the full 100% flow of nitrous over a time period adjustable from 0 to 10 seconds. Helps you keep traction off the line.

http://www.jegs.com/i/NOS/741/15835B/10002/-1

Do you have a custom computer ship like a sct flip chip or something because if your going to be running a lot of different pill's your going to be adjusting the timing all of the time. Why not just set the car up with the 150 or 175 shot and leave it be? Once you hit it with the 150 or 175 your never going to want to go back to the 80 or 125 that button is as addictive as crack.

 

[95boss351]

Lmao i have been told it was. but yes i do have a flip chip. Basically for the 150 and 175 shot, the second tune pulls 6 degrees of timing out 4 safety and the 80 and 125 shot can b used with the first tune. But the progressive controller is nice. Tht is definitely sumthin 2 look into but at the same time, i never really been a nitrous guy. I think im gonna just save my pennies up and try 2 get a used blower and peice a kit 2gether. Cant go wrong with tht. Regardless the motor has got 2 be rebuilt. I want everything fresh cause im gonna wanna run abt 18 lbs with meth. I would rather pay $7 a gallon than $40 to fill the nitrous bottle every weekend. 408 with afr 185's? Wat u think?

 

[det_riot]

did you make it back to AA this weekend? how'd it go?

 

[95boss351]

Yup sure did. The car drives smoother than stock. Responsive, consistant pulls, idles great. made abt 10 more hp and tq. im happy. Cant wait to spray it. me and a group of other guys are supposed to go 2 ubly dragway up north next weekend. Cant wait 2 see wat it do

 

[det_riot]

Awesome! Glad to hear! What were the final numbers and cost if you don't mind me asking? Once I finish buttoning mine up from my hci swap I want to get it tuned and AA was probably the leading place i was looking at.

 

[95boss351]

318 rwhp and 334 rwtq and he didnt charge me anything on the retune because it was on there 4 like 30 mins but it was $550 4 NA. It would have been $600 with the nitrous but he didnt go in depth with the nitrous tune because i didnt have it setup up correctly with the window switch. So he just had the 2nd tune pull 6 degrees. Tht was simple so he didnt charge me. But when i get the intake, he has got 2 retune it which will b $185/hr but he said it would probally b on there an 1hr or 1.5hrs. He is the man. Car feels great. Ur combo is on a 302 or 351?

 

[det_riot]

It's on a 302. I've heard of a couple places that are a little cheaper but havent heard of anyone that does better work than lidio.

 

[95boss351]

naw u wont find a better overall tune from anyone else n Michigan. A buddy of mine with a H/C/I on a 331 stroker made like 365rwhp goin 2 don walsh but his car drives like shit. it stalls out at lights its just a headache 2 drive

 

[det_riot]

don walsh? never even heard of him lol