Sniper Tuners

[9psi 98]

Anyone have one. Everything seems OK on the website, but I'm hesitant about getting one and tuning myself. Any ideas?

 

[DropTopPony]

Do you want Sniper so you can do it yourself? I would rather have the SCT ProRacer package if thats your goal...the help network is just sooooo much larger.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I did mine with Pro Racer, there are soooo many options to tweak you can quickly get seriously over your head real quick. It does work awesomely though.

The Sniper is pretty attractive to me, because if you stick to the basics, it would seem to be foolproof. A bunch of guy's on modularfords use it.

 

[DropTopPony]

My friend uses Sniper on his 04 Cobra and is switching to SCT because he can never get help. Thats the only reason i'd choose one over the other.

 

[9psi 98]

I'll have to look into the SCT version of the Sniper Tuner. I'm more looking to have something that I can tune myself so when I add on, or have problems I can fix it myself. I have a friend on this site that has an X-cal and he's going through hell right now trying to get his car tuned because he has to rely on a guy that has never seen his car to tune it. My friend is a mechanic, so at least he has the tools to get some actual A/F numbers to help the tuner out. I don't have such things and would be stuck buying a wide-band O2 sensor setup, which isn't cheap as you all know. I still have a crappy JMS chip, mainly because it's working for now, but it pings every once in a while at WOT...which isn't right. I'll replace it, but I don't want the hassle or price of a dyno tune right now with all of my money and tax return tied up in my honeymoon.

 

[2002BLGT]

My friend uses Sniper on his 04 Cobra and is switching to SCT because he can never get help. Thats the only reason i'd choose one over the other.

I am calling BS , www.snipertuningforums.com if he has been on there or called Sniper I am sure he can get ALOT better advice and quicker help than from SCT hands down ......

 

[DropTopPony]

My friend uses Sniper on his 04 Cobra and is switching to SCT because he can never get help. Thats the only reason i'd choose one over the other.

I am calling BS , www.snipertuningforums.com if he has been on there or called Sniper I am sure he can get ALOT better advice and quicker help than from SCT hands down ......

You can call whatever you like but it still doesn't make Sniper easy to access when he needs them. The SCT family is much larger and you can get ahold of someone on pretty much any forum or any major shop at any time....but you are obviously a Sniper user and are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

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[Javi]

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[Jrgunn5150]

I don't know about Sniper, but the SCT family is huge, and it was easy for me to get some support when I got the tune all jacked up and kept doing it. It's just soo damn expensive is my main problem with it.

For what most people want to do, i.e. crank the timing a bit, pull some fuel, play with shift points. The sniper makes it point/click easy. The whole support thing kept me away from it too though, that and I couldn't find a review for it that wasn't writen by someone given a free one.

 

[2002BLGT]

I don't know about Sniper, but the SCT family is huge, and it was easy for me to get some support when I got the tune all jacked up and kept doing it. It's just soo damn expensive is my main problem with it.

For what most people want to do, i.e. crank the timing a bit, pull some fuel, play with shift points. The sniper makes it point/click easy. The whole support thing kept me away from it too though, that and I couldn't find a review for it that wasn't writen by someone given a free one.

I would like to see these so called reviews where someone got a free one ? Sniper has never handed out kits for reviews , Erik Brooks has a write up on modularfords.com , and Juggalo X has one on moddedmustangs.com , neither of which recieved a free kit , I help people on the weekends and nights thru email with tunes , I am available to help just about from 8am till sometimes 11pm at night , and weekends , and there is always someone on the sniperforums , SCT forums have not been operating since November of last year if you had not noticed ......

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I've seen those two and the one in the magazine. They sure did portray it like they got them for free.

 

[9psi 98]

Ok, so I wasn't trying to cause a big bash-fest between SCT and Sniper Tuning. Both systems pretty much do the same thing. I was just wondering about if there were any problems with either...other than the issue of customer support. With either, I'm going to need a wide-band O2 sensor just to be accurate in my tuning. I'll just have to research some prices for different options now.

 

[2002BLGT]

here is a comparison of both

SCT PRP (full ECM control) $849 SCT Pro racer manual $75 dollars extra

Sniper Commando (full ECM control) $699 / and comes with Special Forces to help you build your tunes ......tune one car with Commando and you can still tune a second car with Special Forces

SCT Xcal2 $379 you have to wait for your tune from your dealer

Sniper Special Forces $389 tunes 2 cars and you can build unlimited tunes yourself for most any modification right then and there , no need to wait for your tuner , you are the tuner

 

[eatonmach1]

I got the Sniper Special Forces, I have used it about 9 months now. The data logging is awesome. The guy I bought it off of is really helpful. I can send him an email of my symptoms and my data logging and he takes care of everything. When I first got it my car would not even idle, :wall: I just ran the wizard that ask you about your mods and she was really close. :coolsmiley: I just ran my car on the dyno and got 435 rwhp with his tune A/F ratio was perfect. 10 PSI P1SC. Give this guy a shout about your Sniper needs he will take care of you. http://www.dirtydirtyracing.com/

 

[9psi 98]

Thanks,

I'll have to take a look into that.

 

[Don@LRT]

here is a comparison of both
SCT PRP (full ECM control) $849 SCT Pro racer manual $75 dollars extra
SCT Xcal2 $379 you have to wait for your tune from your dealer

This thread has some great info on both systems, but since I'm most familiar with SCT, I'd like to clarify a couple of things. First is the price - dunno what the average is but $849 seems a tad high - we sell the XCal2/X3 version with software with an XCal 2 or X3 AND with our Pro Racer Training Video for $728 + shipping. Since I created the Pro Racer Training video we are basically the only ones who give this for free. We DO sell the training video seperate for $49 if you got your PRP from someone else. It covers both Advantage 2.9 and 3.0 - there is over 10 hours of video on it. Teaches you to use the software (using the software), how to tune EEC IVs, EEC V's, troubleshooting, etc. by showing setup of the file, datalogging and making changes.

The CHIP version of the PRP does cost a lot more - mainly because you have to buy a chip and a chip burner. But it does offer self tuneability for 88-95 Mustangs.

If you already have an Xcal 2 or X3 and want to add the PRP software, that's $349 + shipping and we give a discount on the training videos if you get it from us.

I have heard good things about Sniper and we may soon become dealers for them. I do know tuning concepts and the names of the parameters are similar - so the video MAY also help Sniper tuners as well. I do know that the names of parameters in DiabloSport Revolution are almost exactly the same as SCT (and Ford) use. So I assume Sniper is the same.

We NEVER make people wait for thier tunes as long as they can supply the PCM code to us - we load the tunes into the XCal 2 or X3 and send backups on CD as well. The only way someone would have to wait would be if they do not have their PCM code or have a later model that may have been reflashed by the Ford dealer and in that case they'd have to get the XCal, use it to read the "strategy" email it to me and I'd get the tunes emailed back to them quickly. But this normally is not an issue.

The SCT PRP Manual is OK - not great - it has lots of good info in it, but it also has a lot of outdated info in it as well as older SCT hardware in it. I feel qualified to say this, since I wrote it. It needs updating really badly, but I don't do things like that for SCT anymore, so It's up to them to update it. That's kind of why I did the videos, they are much more comprehensive and concentrate on pure tuning.

No need to argue about any of this because lots of choices are really a good thing for the tuning community!

Hope this helps!

Don

 

[2002BLGT]

Don you should get on the Sniper Dealer list ASAP , I know Pat and Chris would love to have you on board , I have always heard great things about your work and customer service so call them and tell them Willie at Dirtydirtyracing.com told you to call ....

As for the waiting for tunes deal that wasnt pointing fingers but some dealers for SCT out there are dropping the ball on customer service and I think that SCT should be weary of it because it reflects on them when customers have to wait .....I love SCT stuff but the buy in fee was way too high for a guy like me , Im stuck here in southwest virginia and the only guy around me that is an SCT dealer is a little pricey and does mostly F150 stuff ....... I picked Sniper because of the pricing structure and the fact that I can flash without having to sell the customers hardware which brings alot of business locally because they dont have to spend extra for something thats just gonna sit on a shelf after they get the tune done .....

 

[Don@LRT]

Thanks - Getting on Sniper's list is one of my priorities after our normal winter slowdown ends.

I totally agree with you about what you said about some SCT dealers. I know this to be true, because many of my customers were originally with other tuners and came to me after weeks of frustration waiting for things to happen. I also agree it gives a bad name to SCT overall because people associate a crappy dealer with SCT itself.
Don

 

[9psi 98]

Lots of good info, thanks guys!! :dancing6: