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One of my older combos was a 306 with the stock Cobra intake (port-matched to the heads), AFR165 heads and a custom FTI camshaft. Even with the shorty headers and 3.73's, it was a super fun car to drive on the street and had excellent driveability. Ran great on the stock tune and only had to tweek the fuel pressure. Ed is great to deal with on a custom cam. I am a 3-peat customer on Ed's camshafts, and I have never been disappointed. Hope this helps.
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New guy here just wanted to add to the thread,I have the full trickflow street kit on my 95 cobra with a stock tb and mass air,
it has a diablo tune 373 gears on 17" tires and shorty headers. it dynos 282hp with 314tq switching to a 75 tb and 73 or 76 maf,
UD pulleys, with custom sct tune hope to see 290-295hp will see.
it has a diablo tune 373 gears on 17" tires and shorty headers. it dynos 282hp with 314tq switching to a 75 tb and 73 or 76 maf,
UD pulleys, with custom sct tune hope to see 290-295hp will see.
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the only difference between the cobra and gt for 94/95 was just the heads cam and intake right? all the internals are the same right?
correct.
as he put it, H/C/I, throttle body, mass air, shorty headers (presumably other exhaust), tuner, dyno tune and he's still not at the 300whp range. either a big cam or more money.
$2699.99 retail for the TF kit, $4045.00 on a centri...easily make 300whp and have room for more.
as he put it, H/C/I, throttle body, mass air, shorty headers (presumably other exhaust), tuner, dyno tune and he's still not at the 300whp range. either a big cam or more money.
$2699.99 retail for the TF kit, $4045.00 on a centri...easily make 300whp and have room for more.
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a blower could be cool as well but thats alot of money all at once
that's why I showed above a H/C/I is a lot more than buying just heads, cam, intake, and it's not so inexpensive in itself. the shipping alone from five different sources is going to nickel and dime you to death. the blower is the better HP/$ deal, especially down the road.
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only thing is im on a yearly budget lol and 4000 in one shot isnt in the budget
I have a friend that is pulling 406RWHP with a V-1 S-trim Vortech? I think thats the #'s on it, but hes just got the blower, a chip and two fuel pumps, with 42 lbs injectors. the rest is stock, exept the clutch, it went away on the first dyno pull. smoky too.
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Why buy everything brand new? You can't really go wrong buying a used intake, so long as it has not been hacked-on. I have seen Cobra intakes go for $300 shipped if you have a little bit of patience. If you are not in a hurry and shop around, you can find somebody that gave-up on a project and you can save a couple hundred on a brand new set of heads. Plenty of used $200 FTI camshafts floating around for the cookie cutter Cobra intake / AFR heads combo. I successfully buy a lot of used parts, but try to stay away from high-wear parts (pistons, cranks, valvetrain, e.t.c.). I guess you could make the same argument on a supercharger as well, but in my opinion, it has a lot of high-wear parts on it (bearings, gears, impeller, e.t.c.)
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I have to agree with PGTTech on this one, you'll be happier with your gains from a supercharger than the h/c/i. Nothing wrong with the HCI but just know there's a good chance you won't break 300whp, if you want over 300 boost might be a better option. You can find used supercharger kits all the time for a reasonable price.
Don't let the price of heads and a cam fool you either. I didn't even put an intake on my car (used the stock cobra) when i did my heads and cam and i probably spent over 2g. all the gaskets alone are well over $100 not to mention hardened pushrods, rocker arms etc and the stuff you'll just want to change while you're in there too, lifters, timing chain, water pump etc. then you get to deal with the fun of the car idling with the new cam. Just saying weigh both options...
Don't let the price of heads and a cam fool you either. I didn't even put an intake on my car (used the stock cobra) when i did my heads and cam and i probably spent over 2g. all the gaskets alone are well over $100 not to mention hardened pushrods, rocker arms etc and the stuff you'll just want to change while you're in there too, lifters, timing chain, water pump etc. then you get to deal with the fun of the car idling with the new cam. Just saying weigh both options...
i_love_my_stang said:
I wasn't implying you need to buy it brand new, those kits can sometimes be found for 50% used. I was trying to make a fair comparison. If you don't have the money, start putting some away.
Have you ever driven or better yet owned a heavily cammed N/A car? Are you really sure that is what you want?
I can count on one hand the number of customers I've pushed into forced induction only to admit later that they wished they hadn't fooled around trying to make power N/A in the first place and making the car rough, loud, moody, and rowdy. If the blower doesn't satisfy your needs, pulley it more, upgrade the headunit, or do the H/C/I later. As an above poster mentioned, it's going to make enough power just on blower and fuel system as you keep upgrading to risk splitting the block. Why waste the time with H/C/I?
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i would do a hollley intake, twedge heads, and an anderson cam. like a b-21
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A supercharger can rack-up the bucks too; aside from the upfront cost. Think bigger injectors, larger MAF because it does not take much to peg-out the stock one, bigger fuel pump and fuel management system, new tune at the dyno to get it to run right. Don't get me wrong.......the supercharger can make some serious power (have ridden in a few boosted 8 and 9 second cars), but I also know the maintenance that goes along with them such as head-gaskets, busted rings, bent rods, holed pistons, e.t.c. Once you get use to the big pulley, you will find yourself putting the smaller pulley on it and spinning it harder. That is the reason I chose cubes and kept it naturally aspirated -- less headaches to deal with. I guess it comes down to a decision of what you expect from your car and what you are willing to afford and maintain. I know changing head gaskets can get old really fast on a daily driver (keep that in mind)
a supercharger out of the box is not going to have those issues - they are complete kits. properly tuned, you shouldn't be having head gasket problems, busted rings, bent rods, or holed pistons. on a 5.0, you're going to have a split block long before that. the out of the box kit, later add MAF, injectors, pulley, intercooler, dyno and you've about maxxed out a 5.0
if you stay the n/a route, after the "cheap" initial H/C/I and you're at 280whp, where do you go from there? built shortblocks are no less expensive, and you're still down 100whp on the other setup.
if you stay the n/a route, after the "cheap" initial H/C/I and you're at 280whp, where do you go from there? built shortblocks are no less expensive, and you're still down 100whp on the other setup.
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