94 5.0 Performing Poorly. Any suggestions welcome!

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Hi,

The car in question is a 94 5.0 Auto Convertible with just 55k miles and 2.73 gears.

I purchase the car a few months back and drove it about 400 miles home. It drove poorly (but did 25mpg), the gearbox was juddering, the engine lacked power, and made lots of funny noices etc, so I pulled the motor and tranny when I got back.

I immediately noticed that it had no air filter (all stock, but no element within the housing) - a quick call to the previous owner suggested it had been this way for over 3 years.

I completely rebuilt the engine - despite no wear found I replaced all seals, bearings and more and spent hours reseating the badly damaged valves and seats. I replaced the tranny fluid with Mercon V and put it all back together. I also removed the EGR, Smog pump, AC and Cats.

She starts, runs and idles PERFECTLY and sounds great. The engine sounds excellent and pulls a little better, BUT now after another 400 miles of running it in I have started to notice some issues as I start to stand on it and push it a bit more.

To say its lacking power is an understatement (compared to my 5.0 Fox), a heavy press of the pedal will take the revs to 2100 revs while the car slowly gains speed (to around 20-25mph) and then the revs rise slowly to about 3500rpm - sometimes it will then get a little power surge but normally it will plod on with a level of performance a diesel would be embarrassed with.

I have checked and double checked the timing, checked all the connections and more.

On idle it has a heavy fuel exhaust smell and the fuel consumption around town is very poor although on a run its fine. I have occasionally got RICH codes from the ECU and have also got LEAN codes too at times but none this week despite giving it a good run.

My main concern is the following:

* It seems to be pinking (pinging - i.e. detonation) - but its hard to tell with this louder exhaust
* If I unplug the MAF it hardly wants to run. It will stall from idle and has no extra power
* Heavy exhaust smell at idle

I have ordered some MAF cleaner and I intend on removing the crank damper to check the outer ring has not shifted and given me inaccurate timing marks (although it seems ultra smooth).

Any suggestions appreciated.

Before you ask, I am a professional engine builder - specialising in 289 and 302 engine in early Mustangs but also involved with a lot of modern engines too. I am either used to a carb or the benefits of an OBD2 system. I am so tempted to pull this EFI and put a carb on! I know it is mechanically perfect (except maybe the suspect damper which I will check asap) but this injection crap and ECU controlled timing is a concern to me.

If I set the base timing at 12degrees and then connect the spout, what timing should I expect to see? What level of advance should I see at certain revs (with no load)? I know its advancing - maybe I need to note the total advance etc and report that back to you guys.

I eagerly await any suggestions.
 

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94/95 GT?

Stock?

Slow?

Yea i would say everything is in working order...

Give it a tuneup and see what happens there, these cars werent beasts right off the showroom. Do a plug run if you think its too lean. If it has a CAI or anything of the sort the 94/95 is a touchy ECU so it might need tuning.

But yea, i just built my engine and everything is new and if i unplug my MAF it dies/spits/sputters so i think thats normal...
 

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What all did you do to deleted the EGR? But first I would clean the MAF
 

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what i've seen, lean codes are cured by cleaning the maf. and iac. next give the car a good tune up. set base timing to 10* and see what you've got. then adj timing up as needed till it starts pingingthen back it off a deg. do this with the grade of gas your going to use all the time. gears will do the most to benifit your performance 4:10's or 3:73's.
 

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You Can disconnect the O2 sensors. It will force the ECU to use the timing and A/F tables vs. reading the sensors and adjusting.

Also you can set base timing where you want the total timing and leave the spout out. and see if its any better if your worried about the timing.
 
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Cheers and thanks for the suggestions guys.

I will clean the MAF in a minute, check the timing AGAIN and pull a plug to check the burn.

I will then unplug the O2 sensors to see what difference they make.


As regards the EGR, I left on the valve but welded the hole in the exhaust and made a blank gasket between the valve and the intake. Once I have obtained a eliminator thingy I will remove the valve. I get no EGR codes, just smog (obviously) and this rich/lean issue occasionally.

My main concern is the heavy exhuast smell at low revs and the VERY heavy fuel consumption too.
 

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It sounds like a 02 sensor problem especially because of the lack in Gas mileage but also the "surge" you sometimes get. Im not sure how unplugging them would solve any issues tho....
 
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OK, an update:

I have now cleaned the MAF and intake temp sensor (whatever that is called) and checked the timing again. It now runs a lot better (although still a totally different animal than my Fox body). It will now rev cleanly to the red line with no flat spots or surging. A lot better!!!! The SN95 to Fox is like a Mouse to a Horse - you would never think they had the same engines!

I have set the timing at 14 degrees (I am using 99 octane fuel) and done some more timing checks.

This is what I found:


WITH SPOUT REMOVED
Idle -- 14 degrees
Rev -- 14 degress (no movement)
With Spout Removed it drives the same but lacks any pull at higher revs obviously

WITH SPOUT INSTALLED
Idle -- 28 degrees
Rev -- 39 degrees
It now revs cleanly to the red line and the idle exhaust smell seems a little better although its too early to tell.

I will use it for a couple of days and see how things progress. If the problem remains I will unplug the O2 sensors to see if it makes a difference - if it does then further investigation is needed.

Does this all make sense to someone????
 

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CanaryGT said:
It sounds like a 02 sensor problem especially because of the lack in Gas mileage but also the "surge" you sometimes get. Im not sure how unplugging them would solve any issues tho....

It will not solve anything. just used as a tool to help diagnose the problem.
 

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I agree with the 02 sensor issue... I had the same problem, stuttering, lack of power, etc... put new 02's in it and the car was like when I bought it again.
 
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At the moment all seems to be fine. It started quicker this morning and is running cleanly. It will be a couple of days before I have a chance to take it for a good run, but it all seems fine (although still a lot slower than the Fox) at the moment.
 

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yeah, you really need the gears. I have 2.73's and that kills my car, compared to my 1990 GT with 3.55's.
 

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Ya dont forget the SN is a lil heavier, especially being a vert. But good to see you made progress!
 
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I reset the ECU when I reinstalled the MAF so no codes to pull yet.

My main problem with the gears is I live in England (UK) and finding someone who will ship over here is a problem. There are people that will do it (it is only a case of dropping it down USPS but some sellers want an easier live than that).

So if anyone here wants to help, I would like a set of 3.73's, and posted to me in the UK. I can pay via Paypal obviously.

I am suspecting the TC aswell as it pulls very differently from the Fox. The revs will shoot to 2100rpm in almost any pull-away, whereas in the Fox, unless you press the throttle very hard, it will bite well below this magic number. It could just be a combination of a lower powered engine, heavier car and much higher gears (my fox has 3.27's from new).

Does you 2.73 5.0 SN95 do this too? Its like it is slipped ALL THE TIME around town.
 

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