95 5l auto "spark knock" "pinging" problem

Dirtcar75

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Ok well i bought this really clean 95 auto gt guy said he just put a new dist and ect sensor in it... I ddnt think anything about it bought it and drove it home... I knew when i drove it the power seemed a little flat but whatever the engine ideld perfect didnt miss shifted great ext... Decided to do plugs today since the new dist and plug wired id just do plugs and a fuel filter cause it didnt really run quite like it should i checked the timing and it was WAY retarded like the tdc mark was at 12 oclock when it was sparking with the stint out... so i set it at like 10-11 plugged it back in drove it and damm it spark knocks bad when just easy driving... Ok so i decided it was a lean knock checked fuel filter it was old and plugged put the new on on and still spark knocks... It will only not spark knock if the timing it set with the stint out at like 5* atdc you can drive it easy and it dont knock but if you get on it it still spark knocks.... Like i said it idles perfect dont missfire i have put plugs in it (same plug i took out of it awsf42c's) gapped at .055 i have also cleaned the t body and maf and iat sensor put dialectric on every connector i can unplug without taking the upper off... I checked the vacume 17"'s at an idle... I also disconnected vacume from the fuel press reg and unplugged the ect sensor to force it rich with no help.... If memory serves me correct both stft were like -3 to -5 and ltft was around +13-15 and it had 2 codes it it one in the 180s and one in the 190s 181 and 191 i think... 02's are cycling fine tps and maf seem to be working as they should watching the datastream... I am bumfused unless fuel pressure is low (havt been able to check it yet) on my advance timing light total timing is in the low 20s at an idle and goes up to the high 30s when the engine is brought above and idle so i dont thing its a timing issue! But funnier things have happened.... Driveability is not my strong suit ao and and all help would be great thanks in advance! D.J.
 

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welcome to the site, Check you harmonic balancer for wobbling and the timing marks being incorrect. The balancer may have slipped and giving you an incorrest reaading. It's a common problem. (Set #1 to TDC and verify balancer is on 0, and rotor on dizzy is pointing to #1).
 
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Ballancer has not spun 1 is at tdc when te timing mark is lined up 30#s fuel press at an idle disconnect the fpr and it goes to 40... Any other ideas? Im stumped!
 

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Your timing is out for sure this is why it's pinging. The rubber always starts to come out of the balancers on these
 
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I took the plug out of #1 and lined up the tdc mark its its rite on the money.... Ignition module maybe? Will bad wires cause a spark knock they are new but something was nailing me when setting the timing....
 
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Ok after work it didnt seem to spark knock as bad to begin with but i put $30 worth of premium fuel in it and "known good used parts on it" ignition mudule didnt help intake air temp sensor didnt help air meter now its worthy of beeing called a gt! But still spark knocks a little at wot with the timing set at 8-9 degrees i know the wires are bad cause they lit me up! My cousin messes with fox cars and says the plug wires are the culpret... Or the plug gap he says .032-.036 and awsf32's not 42's what do you think? Im heading in the rite direction but still not quite there yet thanks again guys!
 

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Just get the stock replacement copper core plugs (ASF-42C) or their equivalent. The AWSF-32 were for earlier models and the 94-95 Cobra and had a much longer reach. Gap should be .054" NOT .032/.036.
 
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Yeah those are the plugs and the gap i got in it but idk can plug wires still cause a spark knock? And i done did a flux capacitor delete
 

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Where are you reading the timing on the marker? The correct spot is along the straight edge on the right of the marker.

In this photo it's where the flash is not where you see the 270* mark

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Replaced the maf with a cleaned and know good one out of another 95 auto car and yes i am timing it off the correct part of the marker.... Replaced the wired and cal and rotor and still no better... Im stumped? BAP maybe?
 

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It will only not spark knock if the timing it set with the stint (you mean SPOUT) out at like 5* atdc you can drive it easy and it dont knock but if you get on it it still spark knocks...

Did you really mean 5* atdc? The timing should be correct between 10-14* btdc. Where is the #1 wire on the distributor cap. It should be at about 1 o'clock looking down from the top. The #1 cylinder is passenger side front of engine and firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
 
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Yes the only way it would not spark knock before the diffrent maf was if it was at 5* adtc dont ask me how it actually ran but thats where the timing was now after i have the diff maf i have it about 6* btdc and it still spark knocks at wot once its up to temp its running like 200-205* u think a cooler t stat would be the beat all fix all?
 

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Does it spark knock at full throttle or just part? 200-205* should not cause trouble, but you can always put a 180* in there and see how it works out. As I stated before, check to see if your EGR is stuck closed, the computer leans out to compensate for incoming exhaust gas, so if it is stuck closed you will get spark knock at part throttle but not full throttle.
 

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