Cam install 95 cobra

gslinger · Aug 25, 2012

Looking for a good cam for the 165 afr heads, right now 2031 cam. Motor had a good bit of chatter after investigation and variances in valve adjustment found that the cam was worn. The local mustang tech that works at the dealer was nice enough to take it home for a couple days and pull covers . He said it was a improper install and doesn't have time to replace, He did mention getting a e303 new rockers, lifters. I am not comfortable and don't know enough to do the removing and install, if anyone knows of a good place to take it within a few hours from Charleston WV let me know.

MIKE93SVT · Aug 27, 2012

can't help with installation. but you should stay away from an e303 cam unless you're going to boost it. there are WAY better options out there to maximize performance and maintain good driveability. i would recommend calling Mark at Bullet Cams, or ed curtis at flow tech inductions.

and i say no e303 without boost because just about any cam along with boost in a stock block will crack it. the e303 is decent, but far from great

OnyxCobra · Aug 27, 2012

MIKE93SVT said:
and i say no e303 without boost because just about any cam along with boost in a stock block will crack it. the e303 is decent, but far from great

This is horribly inaccurate and a somewhat contradictory statement., a cam with boost is fine as long as the power levels are kept under control.

and yes the E303 is old but a lot of people have run it in their 5.0s with good success.

As far as install goes it's not horribly complicated, just time consuming. There are step by steps available online if you want to tackle it yourself. I run a steeda #19 cam with my AFR heads.

MIKE93SVT · Aug 28, 2012

OnyxCobra said:
This is horribly inaccurate and a somewhat contradictory statement., a cam with boost is fine as long as the power levels are kept under control.

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not really. maybe it was misunderstood what i meant to say

stock block + good heads + stock cam + BOOST = 450hp easy on a "safe" tune

adding any cam that is "better" than the stocker is pretty much a waste of time unless you want a choppy idle. above 450hp and any rpm's above 6k is a recipe for disaster on splitting a stock block 302. i've done it on 2 of them and both were under 500hp. one turbo, and one s trim. one lived for 2 years, another only made it a couple weeks.

rpm's are a killer for the block. keep it under 6k-6200 and you should be okay for a while. that said, i don't listen to myself, my current combo is tw 170 FSC heads, has a custom cam from bullet and i'm putting an s trim back on it. eventually i'll swap to a 351w but the stock blocks are easy to replace and readily available

OnyxCobra · Aug 28, 2012

I think you may be a little misinformed if you think you can swap heads on a stock block and cam 5.0 and make anything even close to 450hp, especially with a safe tune and no more than 6000rpm. most people make in the neighborhood of 300whp with a full head/cam/intake swap 5.0. The stock cam is not bad but adding the proper cam to heads and an intake and you'll see some gains.

Musturd · Aug 28, 2012

Yea no doubt riosnakes car is d tuned at close to 500hp and has a forged stroker with a d1sc. You'll make around 400 to the wheels with a nice hci with a blower at around 7-10lbs of boost your numbers are substantially high. I've yet to have a a hci car with a vortech or any blower for that matter make 450 with under 10lbs of boost on the dyno at my shop.

MIKE93SVT · Aug 28, 2012

OnyxCobra said:
I think you may be a little misinformed if you think you can swap heads on a stock block and cam 5.0 and make anything even close to 450hp, especially with a safe tune and no more than 6000rpm. most people make in the neighborhood of 300whp with a full head/cam/intake swap 5.0. The stock cam is not bad but adding the proper cam to heads and an intake and you'll see some gains.

from my original post..... but you should stay away from an e303 cam unless you're going to boost it and and i say no e303 without boost because just about any cam along with boost in a stock block will crack it

i left the boost out of my equation earlier, fixed that.

my whole point is the e303 cam is mediocre at best. if you're going to run n/a, get something better. which i gave examples of who to get them from

if you're going to add a turbo, or supercharger, the e303 is fine for a cheap cam and will make plenty of power with the addition of BOOST it WILL make 450hp

if you're arguing that a h/c/i 302 with 14lbs of boost won't make that much power, i can easily show you a bunch of examples

i do agree that a basic h/c/i will make between 300-340hp based on the combo and how well put together it is.

slo4.6 · Aug 28, 2012

gslinger said:
Looking for a good cam for the 165 afr heads, right now 2031 cam. Motor had a good bit of chatter after investigation and variances in valve adjustment found that the cam was worn. The local mustang tech that works at the dealer was nice enough to take it home for a couple days and pull covers . He said it was a improper install and doesn't have time to replace, He did mention getting a e303 new rockers, lifters. I am not comfortable and don't know enough to do the removing and install, if anyone knows of a good place to take it within a few hours from Charleston WV let me know.

I hade AFR165 and a TFS stage 1 cam on a 60over stock block. the a9l computer did not care much for the cam at idel but the combo was good for a 11.90 in the 1320

OnyxCobra · Aug 28, 2012

lol of course a h/c/i 302 with 14psi will make 450+hp, nobody would argue that that is unrealistic. but in all fairness that's completely different then what you posted earlier.

RichV · Aug 28, 2012

I wanna see a basic h/c/I 302 make 340 to the tires. What parts did you run?

I run the e-cam with 260 to the rear wheels, gt40p heads/intake, and exhaust.

gslinger · Aug 28, 2012

I am leaning towards the steeda#19 I read it it was a good cam for the 94/95 computer with wide lobe separation. What about RR 1.6 or 1.7 with the 165's Thanks for the advice

OnyxCobra · Aug 28, 2012

i run the stock cobra 1.7 RR with my AFR 165s and Steeda #19.

modo · Aug 29, 2012

my stock shortblock with afr 165s, a anderson b-31 cam, gt40 intake, and a s-trim (14 lbs) made 560 rwhp and went 11.12 @ 126 with 150,000 miles on the shortblock.

MIKE93SVT · Aug 29, 2012

RichV said:
I wanna see a basic h/c/I 302 make 340 to the tires. What parts did you run?

I run the e-cam with 260 to the rear wheels, gt40p heads/intake, and exhaust.

tw 170 heads, fti cam, systemax intake did this http://www.forums.corral.net%2Fforums%2F5-0-5-8-engine-tech%2F1356201-dyno-results-tfs170-holley-sm2-fti-cam.html

i'm at work, so if that link doens't work i can fix it when i get hom.

my combo is tw 170 FAC with a custom bullet cam, victor efi intake and i expect to put down the same numbers

it's all bolt on parts, no flycutting, no milling the heads. so it definately falls in line with a basic h/c/i. plenty of guys have run tw heads with an anderson n51 cam and put down 330. it's all about putting together a combo that works as a whole instead of throwing parts at it.

MIKE93SVT · Aug 29, 2012

also, dyno numbers are just that, dyno numbers. that car has been 11.20 @119 so it's definately making some steam

i'd love to get 11.50's out of my car n/a. but i'm probably sitting at 2950 race weight compared to his 2700

Musturd · Aug 29, 2012

modo said:
my stock shortblock with afr 165s, a anderson b-31 cam, gt40 intake, and a s-trim (14 lbs) made 560 rwhp and went 11.12 @ 126 with 150,000 miles on the shortblock.

That's not much to brag about. If actually be a little upset with those times and that kinda power. That's just me tho.

modo · Aug 29, 2012

Musturd said:
That's not much to brag about. If actually be a little upset with those times and that kinda power. That's just me tho.

uh it was a 5 speed on the original 1993 suspension. if you want to bench race and do the math on a perfect pass with the weight and mph it would be 10.60s. thats not bad considering the 60' was in the 1.7 range given the suspension. since its such a disgrace what has your car been?