got 1500 to spend what to get?

[AaRoN]

but the cms would be best? any other recommendations? like comp cams, look like for a specific model cause i know crap about cams.

Going to dissagree. Every car has a different requirement. Some cams do well others dont. I personally love my 270s. I just drove it for the first time today. and wholly shit it almost broke my slicks loose at 3500 RPM.

Comps are good cams. CMS and Crower are the best OTS cams.

It has alot more to do with the car's setup, rather than the car.

 

[Krazyassluantic]

Okay, just ordered livernois intake kit and 3.73 gears. if i get aftermkaret cams is there anything else i will need to get with them?

 

[Shocker98GT]

Well if you want to go boosted in the future, UDPs won't be any use because you'll need the stock pullies to run one.

CAI, realistically a K&N drop in filter in the factory airbox will get you where you need until you need to make big power. If you go centrifugal the piping is going to replace the CAI anyway, if that's the route you choose no sense in wasting money on a CAI.

TB/Plenum is helpful, and the gains are even more once you supercharge. Obviously if you go with a positive displacement blower the plenum will be useless as you won't be using it.

If you just want a good all around cam that will work both n/a and boosted, the stock PI cams will suffice and you can get them dirt cheap. The aftermarket cams for NPI heads really aren't that much better powerwise, most of them are pretty similar to the PI cam specs aside from a slightly tighter lobe separation. Either way you go, you're better off getting custom grinds than off the shelf grinds, and they don't cost any more anyway. Tim at MPH can hook you up with some for the same price you'd be paying for comps, etc anyway and they'll make more power than an off the shelf grind.

Stock PI castings plus boost will make more power than the stock rods will handle. If you don't plan on going with a forged block, really the simplest setup would be a full PI engine swap which you can easily find in the $1000 range with relatively low mileage. Newer engine, no issues with compression increase, great drivability.

The main thing is to consider what direction you plan to head in the future.

If you go with something like an S trim or Kenne Bell 2.1, stock PI heads, built bottom end, custom blower cams, supporting mods (plenum/tb, fuel system upgrades, CAI if applicable, few other odds and ends) will be all you need to get all you can out of them. No sense in porting heads or going crazy because you'll max out the blowers before you'll max out what the engine can handle on pump gas. On both of them the supercharger itself becomes the restriction at those power levels as you've basically maxxed them out, porting heads etc will most likely hurt drivability more than help it. By the time you get to those power levels you're going to need to upgrade the fuel system anyway.

If you just want to go as fast as you can go on a $1500 budget, get a PI intake, PI cams, a shot of nitrous, and gears. Nothing is going to get a stock-ish NPI GT faster than that on that kind of budget unless you find a really good deal on PI heads as well, if so add those to the list.

 

[Krazyassluantic]

well i got pi heads cams and intake for 300 but i ordered the livernois kit anyways since it has everything i need, may not have been the best but i wont have to hunt down all the other crap ill have everything i need and i can sale the spare intake. I doubt il be going supercharge cause thatll cost an assload, i just want my car to spank up on some ricers and camaros.

 

[MustangMatt96GT]

but the cms would be best? any other recommendations? like comp cams, look like for a specific model cause i know crap about cams.

Going to dissagree. Every car has a different requirement. Some cams do well others dont. I personally love my 270s. I just drove it for the first time today. and wholly shit it almost broke my slicks loose at 3500 RPM.

Comps are good cams. CMS and Crower are the best OTS cams.

It has alot more to do with the car's setup, rather than the car.

Exactly what i was trying to say.

 

[Shocker98GT]

well i got pi heads cams and intake for 300 but i ordered the livernois kit anyways since it has everything i need, may not have been the best but i wont have to hunt down all the other crap ill have everything i need and i can sale the spare intake. I doubt il be going supercharge cause thatll cost an assload, i just want my car to spank up on some ricers and camaros.

Ricers-this'll cover it

Camaros: Super/turbocharger or some giggle gas is required

 

[Krazyassluantic]

u serious? to spank up on some camaros lightly modded maros i need the nitrous. a good shot of nitrous should be more then enough then or even then would i barely win? im thinking patriot stage 2 heads now and cams.

 

[MustangMatt96GT]

Never Run Patriot Heads. My car sat for over a month and a half because of their shit.

 

[Shocker98GT]

u serious? to spank up on some camaros lightly modded maros i need the nitrous. a good shot of nitrous should be more then enough then or even then would i barely win? im thinking patriot stage 2 heads now and cams.

mildly modded LT1 camaros you shouldn't have issues with. LS1 stock or especially LS1 with gears will ruin your day.

Patriot heads=crap. Decent porting, crap assembly. Save up and go with Fox Lake if you go ported heads.

 

[Krazyassluantic]

fox lake never heard of them, damn this is making me wish i didnt get rid of my fox, eh maybe save up some moolaa and sale my car then get a nice cobra maybe

 

[Shocker98GT]

http://www.foxlakeracing.com/

They have some of the best CNC packages in the industry and do excellent assembly. Use good parts for assembly as well, Ferrea valves, bronze guides, viton seals, comp cams springs or manley nextek springs depending on what you want. Really aren't going to get anything better than that.

 

[Mustangman9812]

PI Intake, Cams, Spray It = FTW!!

 

[Krazyassluantic]

thanks, u know if i can get them with the cams already installed? if i switch to aftermarket heads and cams and is there anything else ill need? besides gaskets?

 

[Krazyassluantic]

another question sorry ive got tons. if i got the lvernois kit that comes with everything for swapping the intake monifold correct? so if i get heads with cams already installed whatelse do i need? just head gaskets and valve cover gaskets?

 

[humjaba]

Don't bother buying a kit... People make it sound like you have to do all kinds of hunting but you really don't
For the pi head swap, you need
* heads cams intake
* frpp head gasket kit (<-- saves you money from buying head gaskets, head bolts, pi dipstick seperately)
* valve cover gaskets
* front cover gasket
* intake manifold gaskets
* some rtv silicone
* coolant and oil
* i got spark plugs that were a step colder

50resto.com had all the gaskets and crap i needed.

 

[Krazyassluantic]

so im guessing i just need the frpp head kit, front cover and valve cover gaskets since the livernois kit comes with everything for the intake swap correct?

 

[Pennywise2]

In the long run you will be much happier with a supercharger.
I say save alittle more money and purchase a new or used Vortech superchager
with supporting mods.Just get a good tune and keep the boost around 8 psi. (stock pulley)
you should be fine if your engine is in good running order.

 

[nesqwick_05]

+1, nothing is better on these cars than boost, just get some cams and buy a used s/c, can get one for under 2k and if u hurry, u can cancel ur order on the livernois kit because u dont need to spend all that money... mynext intake/ cam swap ill have done for under 100 bucks

 

[jfor441]

You say you have a built trans, but did you also go with a higher stall torque converter?

 

[Krazyassluantic]

i believe its got 3500 stall? im thinking pi intake and cams then just supercharge it cause i dont want to have to get forged internals and all that crap if i go with pi heads then decide later to do it