Is there a "how to" for installing these items?

Mr. B

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I'm doing shocks, struts, cc plates, bumpsteer kit, and installing an Eibach Sportline kit. Just wondering if you guys know of any thread on here or another forum that has a how to on it. With pics would be sweet. I did some searching but had no luck.

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Please pardon me for not being up to speed on the newer cars (When you are into cars from the 60's and 70's these ARE newer cars) but this is the second time I saw bumpsteer kits mentioned. I know bumpsteer was a problem on the original Mustangs and they figured out that the location of the tie-rod arm in relation to the centerline of the steering knuckle was the problem, but on these newer cars is this geometry really still a problem, or a problem again? I would have thought once they corrected it so long ago they would know how to engineer steering on modern cars.

Thanks for any enlightenment.

Steve
 

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rear shocks:

removal:
- place car on jack stands. (entire car or rear only, doesnt matter)
- remove wheels
- with a jack and a piece of wood, support the diff so it raises a little, just enough to support it.
- remove sway bar (if equipped)
- unbolt lower shock bolts. if you have a spare jack, i suggest you use it to support the area where the shock is so it wont spring out and hurt you. if not, then use the jack that you are using to support the diff (yes, this means the diff doesnt need to be supported as stated above, but its a good idea to do so). repeat for other side. BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN REMOVING THE JACK AS THE AXLE WILL TRAVEL DOWN. thankfully, the quad shock will keep it from falling too far.
- open truck and remove both the right and left truck linning, which requires you to remove the rear trunk linning.
- unbolt the shocks from the shock towers.

install:
- bolt in the shock from inside the trunk.
- with the shock fully extended, use the jack and lift the axle (from the diff....aka pumpkin) to align the shocks with the mounting points on the axle.
- install the lower shock bolts and tighten them.

-----REAR SPRING INSTALL-----

now, this is where you would install the rear springs of that sportline kit.
- with the new shocks fully mounted, place the jack under the control arm (close where it bolts onto the axle) and just support the control arm. make sure the jack is touching the control arm and not lifting it too much.
- unbolt the control arm
- SLOWLY LOWER THE JACK. the control arm will drop with the jack, but it is still supported by where it bolts onto the car. lower it enough to remove the stock spring.
- install the new spring, and make sure that the cut of the spring is facing the front of the car. if not, it will cause popping sounds as you drive or turn. dont forget to transfer the isolators from the old springs to the new springs.
- once the new spring is on correctly, use the jack to raise the control arm and align it with the mounting points on the axle
- bolt the control arms to the axle.

-----BACK TO SHOCK INSTALL-----

- re-install the sway bar
- make sure everything is tight as it should be, mount the wheels again, and you should be done.


Struts:

Removal:
- raise car on jackstands.
- remove wheels.
- remove caliper and place off to the side somewhere, preferably using zip ties or a shoe lace (you dont have to remove the caliper from the knuckle, but its a good idea and will free up some room, and you dont put unwanted stress on the lines), and remove the rotor as well.
- support the control arm with the jack and lift it slightly to remove a little pressure from the strut.
- unbolt the 2 lower strut bolts.
- SLOWLY lower the jack. this should free the strut from the knuckle.
- open hood and locate strut towers
- remove the one nut that holds the strut inplace. NOTE: there will be other bolts/nuts as well on the stock cc plates, you dont have to remove these to remove the strut, just the main one that holds the strut in. strut should now come off.

-----CC PLATE INSTALL-----

since you now have the strut removed and planned on doing the cc plate install, now is the time.
- remember those bolts i told you not to remove earlier, the ones for the stock cc plates? now you can remove them.
- take off the stock CC plates and replace with the new cc plates, bolt them down, and you are done.

-----BUMPSTEER KIT INSTALL-----
*see below*

-----SPRING INSTALL-----

- with the strut, caliper, rotors, and tie rods out of the way, raise the control arm with the jack and loosen the front sway bar. you only have to unbolt it from the sway bar links, not the actual control arm.
- once everything is off you should only have the spring and the knuckle that is in contact with the control arm. SLOWLY lower the jack until the control arm doesnt go down anymore.
- if you cant force the stock spring out of the perch, push the control arm farther down by hand and try popping it out now. the tire iron in the trunk along with some wd-40 work wonders.
- remove the stock isolators and put them on the new springs
- install the new springs in the same direction as the stock springs, or just follow the stamping on the control arm. again, wd-40 works wonders
- once the spring is in, raise the control arm and reinstall the sway bar.

-----BACK TO STRUT INSTALL-----

Strut Install:
- mount the strut in the wheel well and bolt it to the cc plates with the nut, just as the old one was.
- position the strut so it will slide onto the knuckle where the old one was bolted onto. (you can twist it for this)
- slowly raise the control arm with the jack and guide the holes on the strut so they are aligned with the knuckle.
- install lower strut bolts.
- make sure everything so far is nice and tight as it should be
- reinstall caliper onto knuckle/bracket. make sure you dont leave this loose or else it will fall off.
- reinstall wheels
- go get a wheel alignment.
- now you're done.


**as for the bumpsteer kit, not sure what is included in it, but i think its only the outter tie rods? if so, then just install them when the struts are off.

(when i refer to "tie rod" i mean outter tie rod unless otherwise stated)

Removal:
- since the struts are off, raise the control arm with the jack so the tie rod is parallel with the ground.
- remove the bobby pin that secures the crown nut of the tie rod. (no idea if its a bobby pin or not, thats just what i call it)
- remove the crown nut
- loosen the tie rod at this point. if you look at it, right after the tierod, there should be a nut. loosen that.
- remove the tierod ball joint from the knuckle. you can either get the ball joint tool, or be like me and use a hammer and hammer the sh!t out of it until it comes off.
- remove tie rod. with some vice grips, hold the inner tie rod (the shaft that comes out of the steering rack, where the tie rod is bolted onto) and then twist the tie rod off.
- get rid of that nut you loosened 3 steps ago, unless your new kit doesnt have one, then you have to re-use it

Install:
- install the new tie rod onto the inner tie rod in about the same location as the old one was. DO NOT TIGHTEN THE LOOSE NUT YET. this will be a later step.
(before you do this next step, go back to the front spring install part)
- install the tie rod onto the knuckle. put it in the hole for it, and using the crown nut, tighten it down as much as you can. if you can, find the torque specs for it and do it that way, if you dont ahve the torque specs then just tighten it as much as you can and USE A NEW BOBBY PIN thingy and secure the crown nut.





-- once the wheels are on, you can do what i call a poor mans alignment. just eye ball the tire and see if it looks like its pointing straight. if its not, adjust the tierod either to push the wheel out or pull it in, and do the same for the other side. make sure the steering wheel is somewhat straight too.
-- now that its driveable, go take it to a professional alignment shop and have them do it
-- like i stated above, not sure if this all thats included in the bumpsteer kit, so if there is something that is that i didnt mention, let me know and ill do my best to help you out.


hope this helps!
 

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Mr. B said:
Whoa! Thanks a million for that info. I think I can handle all of that. I've done this on other cars before but never on a Mustang.

This is the bumpsteer kit I bought. http://www.uprproducts.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes&sppp=10

no worries, sorry i didnt have any pics for you, i really should start taking some as i work on my car, lol

anyways yeah, with that kit you bought, it doesnt have the ball joints, so you just have to alter the install guide i posted above to work with the kit you bought. basically when you go to install it, instead of the ball joint you have to use the supplied stud, bolt that onto the knuckle/spindle thingy (where the old ball joint used to go), and then the new tie rod goes over that. there should also be some shims included in the kit so you can adjust the height of the tierod (in relation to the ground).

EDIT:

and a few more notes i realized i left out when talking about that tie rod...
- once you get the wheels somewhat straight, at least enough to drive, dont forget to tighten the tie rod nut against the tie rod. this nut makes sure that neither the inner or outter tierod move due to vibrations.

- in your kit, you wont need to re-use the crown nut i mentioned above, so if you can use some loctite on the stud they give you to replace the ball joint. trust me, you'll thank me later.
 

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Mr. OAM said:
Please pardon me for not being up to speed on the newer cars (When you are into cars from the 60's and 70's these ARE newer cars) but this is the second time I saw bumpsteer kits mentioned. I know bumpsteer was a problem on the original Mustangs and they figured out that the location of the tie-rod arm in relation to the centerline of the steering knuckle was the problem, but on these newer cars is this geometry really still a problem, or a problem again? I would have thought once they corrected it so long ago they would know how to engineer steering on modern cars.

Thanks for any enlightenment.

Steve

The problem arrises on lowered car's, the geometry get's thrown off and needs correction. For instance, my car with a 1.8 inch drop in the front, my arm's are not level at ride height. You can either move the rack up, or correct it at the tie rod. Personally, mine doesn't bother me all that much.

The Caster/Camber plates are for the same purpose. The Camber is pre-set with rivet's by Ford, when lowered the tires lean in too much, and it will run the inside edge right off the tire.
 

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Mr. B said:
Makes sense, and thanks again!

I found this on mustangworld.com but it's obviously for a later model car. It looks to be about the same though.
http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/fcar/steedaspring1.htm

what year is your car? and both what i wrote above and that article from mustang world will work on any mustang between 94-04, as well as the earlier fox bodies. for the 05+, the rear is fundamentally the same, just a little different with the spring install (they have theirs ride on the axle instead of the control arm), but the front end spring/strut install is a little more complicated.
 

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Mr. OAM said:
Please pardon me for not being up to speed on the newer cars (When you are into cars from the 60's and 70's these ARE newer cars) but this is the second time I saw bumpsteer kits mentioned. I know bumpsteer was a problem on the original Mustangs and they figured out that the location of the tie-rod arm in relation to the centerline of the steering knuckle was the problem, but on these newer cars is this geometry really still a problem, or a problem again? I would have thought once they corrected it so long ago they would know how to engineer steering on modern cars.

Thanks for any enlightenment.

Steve

When you lower a newer mustang it changes the tie rods end relation to the steering rack. SO when you hit a bump it will cause bumpsteer since the geometry is different. When I installed my bbk springs I noticed it but not enough to go crazy>
 

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im still surprised any of you guys noticed it. i never did and i had 2" lowering springs with the bottom iso's removed on all four corners.
 

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reivaxtorres said:
im still surprised any of you guys noticed it. i never did and i had 2" lowering springs with the bottom iso's removed on all four corners.

Mine is barely noticeable, high speed bumps upset it a little, no biggie.
 

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some ppl belive in bumpseer some dont, just like peoples optinions of off set rack bushings. IMO im lowered over 2" and dont need bumpsteer kit, yes on shitty roads I get bumpsteer but I thought this was normal on worn roads (rutted) with wide tires?
 

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Matt94GT said:
some ppl belive in bumpseer some dont, just like peoples optinions of off set rack bushings. IMO im lowered over 2" and dont need bumpsteer kit, yes on shitty roads I get bumpsteer but I thought this was normal on worn roads (rutted) with wide tires?

yeah, i think that is normal. the 03/04 cobras, being the only mustang to come from the factory with 275 tires, had a revised aligment guide because it would get bumpsteer on occasion and it would follow the cracks in the road. never driven one tho so im not sure how much of an issue this is
 

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Just drove an '03 Cobra last night and I was surprised at how much it followed the road, almost as bad as my F-150 with 305's on it.
 

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