Jalopnik asks "What’s The Worst "Performance" Engine?"

[Steven]

Isnt dodge still using the push rod desing also...

yea, they also get 8mpg and put them in cars that are at the least 4k lbs.

 

[rz5.0]

8mpg?? I though they had that camincam crap that shuts half the cylinders off.. The engine still a beast tho. Especially the v10

EDIT: Not a Dodge fan but im not going to put down there hemi or v10

 

[vermilion]

Stellar debate.

 

[justinschmidt1]

8mpg?? I though they had that camincam crap that shuts half the cylinders off.. The engine still a beast tho. Especially the v10

EDIT: Not a Dodge fan but im not going to put down there hemi or v10

In some of them.... the srt8s don't. My moms srt8 gets like 12 MPG haha

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[T-5 Killer]

As far as the LSx vs Modular debate I look @ it this way. The LS1 was developed 1st as a performance engine since Team Corvette started the development for the C5 'vette. The Modular was developed as a general use in regular passenger cars and trucks, hell the modular's 1st application was in the Grand Marquis.
The LSX family is impressive but the modulars can't be ruled out they have spawned a aftermarket that is almost as big as the Windsor family in a 1/4 the time. Ford Racing used to say more than half of the parts they sell were for windsor cars not its probably in the 20% range if not less

 

[justinschmidt1]

that's why i don't get why people want to compare a 2v 4.6 truck engine to an ls1. Why not take a look at the 4.6 to even 5.4 4vs which are more geared towards racing....because if you do, you will see that the 5.4 out performs and the 4.6 isn't that far behind. Yea the ls1 makes. Good power, but what engine wouldn't make that kind of power at 5.7 liters?

 

[Rice_slayer]

Javi, kind of lost a little respect for you on that statement. GM has been using the same sh*t for 30+ years, Ford started to experiment, sadly the NPI was part of it, but look what it's got us now, 425hp from just 5.0L of displacement, takes chevy 6.2L to match that. Also, less moving parts in the valvetrain in an OHC engine=more power due to less friction.

Again, like Madstang, I had a 5.0L pushrod, modded the heck out of it, and it STILL put down less HP than my bone stock 4v. The 4.6L DOHC engine is probably the most overlooked engine, it is an amazing engine for modded/racing. My car is bone stock, 9 years old and running low 13s easily, tune+bolt ons= 12 second car. Times are changing, I didn't believe how outdated the OHV design was until I got my Mach, the power it makes is pretty impressive for what it is. Side note, pushrods will ALWAYS be around as long as diesels are being made. I'm not huge on diesels, but is there even an OHC diesel? I know Ford's only OHV engine now is the 6.7L diesel.

 

[JerZeyStangz]

I'm going to perpel my self to 21st century power. I'm going to yank those NPI's off, and put in some TFS heads/cams. This thing is going to awake from the dead. I want to catch haters, and people who shame the 96-98 GT plaform off guard.

 

[Paul]

All this talk about horsepower per liter makes me LOL.

Paul.

 

[justinschmidt1]

Hp per liter is gay but I was just pointing out that the 4.6 4v is more "efficient " than the ls1 if you look at it like that way....still, the 5.4 4v makes more power than the ls1

 

[Paul]

Hp per liter is gay

It sure is.


How much power does the 5.4 4v make?

Paul.

 

[Rice_slayer]

It sure is.


How much power does the 5.4 4v make?

Paul.

385hp Ford rated, many people have dyno'd that stock at the rear wheels though. Ford likes to underrate for some reason.

 

[Paul]

LS1 was 350hp/365 tq. LS2 is 400hp/400tq. LS3 is 430hp. LS7 is 505 hp. All of these are naturally aspirated.


...and so on and so forth. Not like comparing the 4.6/5.4 platform even stands a chance against the LS-series. Ford finally came up with a real competitor with the new 5.0/5.8. I wish it wouldn't have taken them 18 years to figure it out.

Paul.

 

[Nacho98]

I agree, the 305 in the third generation camaros for the most part was a boat anchor; 90% of the 305s used were crappy carb'd/TBI 305s like mine, though the TPI 305s of later years put out a respectable 230 hp, and can be pretty peppy. But yeah overall the 305 was just a fuel economy maker and not a true performance engine.

There were WAY worse engines though in the 70s, think Olds 307, etc. The 4.6 is not a bad engine, it's kind of like the 305 but better tech and more refined. I don't think they are bad motors really.

 

[Steven]

LS1 was 350hp/365 tq. LS2 is 400hp/400tq. LS3 is 430hp. LS7 is 505 hp. All of these are naturally aspirated.


...and so on and so forth. Not like comparing the 4.6/5.4 platform even stands a chance against the LS-series. Ford finally came up with a real competitor with the new 5.0/5.8. I wish it wouldn't have taken them 18 years to figure it out.

Paul.

Yet again, the time in R&D can quickly be shortened when you have a much bigger bank account like GM has. Ford definitely is a different company in how it's ran and how it's funded. Ford's focused on bread and butter sales first, performance second. GM cared only about racing and making trucks. Look where that landed them. I'm okay with Ford breaking out the new 5.0/5.8 now, considering it's extremely competitive and they are profitable with it. Buy a new Camaro and the motor comes with a lien on it from the feds. lol.

 

[Paul]

You guys are great at coming up with every excuse in the book. LOL

 

[justinschmidt1]

LS1 was 350hp/365 tq. LS2 is 400hp/400tq. LS3 is 430hp. LS7 is 505 hp. All of these are naturally aspirated.


...and so on and so forth. Not like comparing the 4.6/5.4 platform even stands a chance against the LS-series. Ford finally came up with a real competitor with the new 5.0/5.8. I wish it wouldn't have taken them 18 years to figure it out.

Paul.

It is what it is but it seems like the only reason GM makes more power is because the motors are larger displacement....what do you expect out of 6.0 and 7.0 liter motors?

That is why I brought up the 4v 5.4 making 385 hp and 385 if ft lb more than the almighty 5.7l ls1

If displacement was = it would be a completely different ball game is all im saying.

 

[Paul]

Hp per liter is gay

See above.

 

[justinschmidt1]

See above.

Lol, what are you arguing?

...big cubes make big power


Anyway, we all know ford didnt set out to make the world fastest car with the mustangs.

Meanwhile the almighty ls1 isnt doin gm much good as they stopped selling camaros for how many years? lol

 

[Paul]

Yep, so apparently Ford was asleep at the wheel for the 18 years of production of the 4.6 and 5.4. I guess they didn't have enough R&D dollars in 18 years to figure that out.

Paul.