long tubes vs shortys

[LAFENATU]

Steven speaks the truth, shorties are a complete waste of money, they belong in the same aisle as Tornado intakes and electric superchargers.

How do you figure they are a waste of money??

I know 2 Mustangs off the top of my head running shorties...one makes 560, the other makes 659rwhp on pump gas..All on little shorty headers...go figure lol.

 

[Paul]

Steven speaks the truth, shorties are a complete waste of money, they belong in the same aisle as Tornado intakes and electric superchargers.

How do you figure they are a waste of money??

I know 2 Mustangs off the top of my head running shorties...one makes 560, the other makes 659rwhp on pump gas..All on little shorty headers...go figure lol.

+1

While longtubes do indeed have a performance advantage, shorties are not junk. I don't use longtubes because they're a pain in the ass.

Paul.

 

[Rice_slayer]

So when I swap out my exhaust system this spring, I should get rid of the stock shortys? Whats the difference between say a BBK shorty header and the stock ones? Im going with a full 2.5" Magnaflow system with X mid pipe with hi-flow cats.

 

[Steven]

Steven speaks the truth, shorties are a complete waste of money, they belong in the same aisle as Tornado intakes and electric superchargers.

How do you figure they are a waste of money??

I know 2 Mustangs off the top of my head running shorties...one makes 560, the other makes 659rwhp on pump gas..All on little shorty headers...go figure lol.

+1

While longtubes do indeed have a performance advantage, shorties are not junk. I don't use longtubes because they're a pain in the ass.

Paul.

Not really a pain in the ass. It's all part of a 5.0 to me lol.. The way I see it if your going to run shortys you may as well run a damn longtube for the money and the fact your putting it on. Feel like your cutting the car at the knees when you do. Shortys are nice in some cases, and I think they just de-bottleneck flow, rather then increase velocity like a longtube. It's a apples to oranges type deal but when it comes right down to it, if i'm going to be taking my headers off i'll be putting the best shit I can back on there.. lol.

 

[2REDSTANGS]

i think LTs sound more raspy personally i like the sound but its not for everyone

 

[Magic]

So when I swap out my exhaust system this spring, I should get rid of the stock shortys? Whats the difference between say a BBK shorty header and the stock ones? Im going with a full 2.5" Magnaflow system with X mid pipe with hi-flow cats.

Larger primary tubes on an aftermarket shorty header, which means a better/happier breathing engine, compared to a stock shorty.

Just open your hood, look at your stock headers, then have a look at a picture of an aftermarket header, BBK, MAC etc etc....

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Steven speaks the truth, shorties are a complete waste of money, they belong in the same aisle as Tornado intakes and electric superchargers.

How do you figure they are a waste of money??

I know 2 Mustangs off the top of my head running shorties...one makes 560, the other makes 659rwhp on pump gas..All on little shorty headers...go figure lol.

So? I know a guy who run's 10's with a 96mm turbo, or in other words, a 7 second turbo. They ONLY make 560 and 659 because they are ONLY running little shorty header's.

Unless it's a class rule, or you need them to pass smog, there's no more reason to run shorties than there is to haul 500 lbs in your trunk.

And Chris, a good set of header's will outclass any shorties in any part of the RPM band, all day, everyday. Remember that you are reading advertisements, as in, someone trying to sell you something.

 

[LAFENATU]

So? I know a guy who run's 10's with a 96mm turbo, or in other words, a 7 second turbo. They ONLY make 560 and 659 because they are ONLY running little shorty header's.

Unless it's a class rule, or you need them to pass smog, there's no more reason to run shorties than there is to haul 500 lbs in your trunk.

And Chris, a good set of header's will outclass any shorties in any part of the RPM band, all day, everyday. Remember that you are reading advertisements, as in, someone trying to sell you something.

Anyone can disagree and I agree with you...if you want every last bit of HP then long tubes are definitley the way to go...but arn't these street cars?

 

[Rice_slayer]

^^ Exactly what I look at. Mine is my DD throughout the year minus winter. Im still hesitant to get an E303 cam for it as I dont want to lose my every day drive-ability with it. Shortys are just easier for a guy who uses the car everyday, due to spark plug changes and what not.

 

[MustangChris]

So when I swap out my exhaust system this spring, I should get rid of the stock shortys? Whats the difference between say a BBK shorty header and the stock ones? Im going with a full 2.5" Magnaflow system with X mid pipe with hi-flow cats.

most aftermarket headers are equal length. each cylinder fires at a different time, which means the exhaust exits at a different time. when you dont use equal length headers (stock headers) the exhaust can get "bottle necked" in the headers... by having an equal length of pipe on each cylinder, the exhaust flows out at different times, which gives better flow.


as for street cars with long tubes, ive never heard of a law against long tubes on the street, i know dozens using them... lol.

 

[Steven]

^^ Exactly what I look at. Mine is my DD throughout the year minus winter. Im still hesitant to get an E303 cam for it as I dont want to lose my every day drive-ability with it. Shortys are just easier for a guy who uses the car everyday, due to spark plug changes and what not.

i've been driving my cars for 3-4 years all of them have longtubes on horrible back roads with tons of pot holes. My drive way has a huge curb to even get up on it, and my work has a serious dip to get into it. Nothing you can't over come with safe driving, which you should be doing anyway. Unless your jumping off all 4's, theres not much difference

 

[MustangChris]

^^ Exactly what I look at. Mine is my DD throughout the year minus winter. Im still hesitant to get an E303 cam for it as I dont want to lose my every day drive-ability with it. Shortys are just easier for a guy who uses the car everyday, due to spark plug changes and what not.

ive had to replace bottomed out LTs on an acura...... .... ***t happens... lol

i've been driving my cars for 3-4 years all of them have longtubes on horrible back roads with tons of pot holes. My drive way has a huge curb to even get up on it, and my work has a serious dip to get into it. Nothing you can't over come with safe driving, which you should be doing anyway. Unless your jumping off all 4's, theres not much difference

 

[Jrgunn5150]

So? I know a guy who run's 10's with a 96mm turbo, or in other words, a 7 second turbo. They ONLY make 560 and 659 because they are ONLY running little shorty header's.

Unless it's a class rule, or you need them to pass smog, there's no more reason to run shorties than there is to haul 500 lbs in your trunk.

And Chris, a good set of header's will outclass any shorties in any part of the RPM band, all day, everyday. Remember that you are reading advertisements, as in, someone trying to sell you something.

Anyone can disagree and I agree with you...if you want every last bit of HP then long tubes are definitley the way to go...but arn't these street cars?

Mine is, and I have no problem with no wanting to go through the effort... But why even bother swapping the manifolds then? Leave them stock, easier and cheaper. If you're going to pull some kind of half measure, just keep your money in your pocket IMO.

 

[Magic]

^^ Exactly what I look at. Mine is my DD throughout the year minus winter. Im still hesitant to get an E303 cam for it as I dont want to lose my every day drive-ability with it. Shortys are just easier for a guy who uses the car everyday, due to spark plug changes and what not.

Changing plugs on a car with long tubes is no different than changing plugs on a car with shorty or stock headers...there isnt any extra effort involved....not from the cars Ive worked anyways...

 

[LAFENATU]

^^ Exactly what I look at. Mine is my DD throughout the year minus winter. Im still hesitant to get an E303 cam for it as I dont want to lose my every day drive-ability with it. Shortys are just easier for a guy who uses the car everyday, due to spark plug changes and what not.

You'll be fine with the E303..

As far as the headers again...its a minimal increase for a lot more $$ and alot more aggravation to do simple work after the fact. there is a car around here that is running a 331/AFR 205's/Vortech YSi...has meth and a turbo 400 for a trans. on 93 octane with the meth through 1 3/4" shorties it makes a tad under 900 rwhp.

if someone wants long tubes they want long tubes. to me it isn't worth it. i like knowing i can pull the trans out without having to take the headers off or do anything else under the car.

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[Jrgunn5150]

Ugh I'm not going to keep arguing this, every car near your house makes 2000 rwhp through shorties and a single exhaust, awesome.

Anyone with eyes in their head should be able to see which on is going to make more power. Just because some jackass with a Honda an 35 psi can make 600 whp doesnt make it the smart way to do it.

 

[MustangChris]

i agree with that. CAN you make power with shorties? of course. is it the most efficiant way to make power? no. will LTs work BETTER? yes.

 

[97 king cobra]

I just installed some bbk shorties on my car, they were slightly used for $110. I installed them myself in an afternoon on jackstands. They sound a little bit louder. As far as power increase, i dont know. I will be getting my car dynoed in the next week or two since ive finally installed about every bolt on and will get a same tune for 93 octane. I made 211/277 rwhp before with some bolt ons, i just added a 4" crank pulley w/ short belt, headers and with the 93 im hoping for 230rwhp. But yes lt will outflow shorties anyday, the only reason i didnt get them is because i already have an o/r x-pipe and i dont plan on keeping this engine anyways so it would be a waste of the extra $200.

 

[Steven]

My cheap ass LT's have clearance to get the trans out. You must be buying the donut style BBK/Mac's. Those are are inward and closer to the bell. Mine's pretty wide.

 

[LAFENATU]

Ugh I'm not going to keep arguing this, every car near your house makes 2000 rwhp through shorties and a single exhaust, awesome.

What part of..

if someone wants long tubes they want long tubes. to me it isn't worth it. i like knowing i can pull the trans out without having to take the headers off or do anything else under the car.

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Who is arguing? :tard: :dontknow: