new powerplant...???

[vettekiller3]

Ok everyone here it is. Don't rag on me I'm simply interested in your opinions. I have a 95 mustang gt and I want to brake into the 10's. Here's where you come in. Its completely stock, I want to know what your opinion on a set up to get me into the 10's would consist of. I really wanted to go with a turbo however on my budget this would take more time than im willing to loose. The car must be streetable. So now i dont know if I should go n/a fuel injected 408 strocker or what id really rather not stray into nitrous purely because this will be a switch off daily driver between my truck and i cant really screw around with nitrous on the street. Anyone with any ideas on the cheapest and most reliable way to get me into the 10's on a student budget I'm all ears. Thanx.

John

 

[Paul]

the cheapest and most reliable way to get me into the 10's on a student budget I'm all ears. Thanx.

Cheap, reliable, and 10s don't really go together.


What is your realistic budget here? How much time/money/energy do you have to dedicate to such a project? Given that you mentioned you're a student, I would say an undertaking like this is likely a bit out of reach. (at least it was when I was a student) Can you build everything yourself or will you need to pay a shop to do it? Do you have a well-equipped garage to do it in?

Some realistic goals and expectations should be in place before embarking on an e-build.

Paul.

 

[vettekiller3]

Ya I kind of already knew long ago that cheap and rliable dont go together but cheaper does. My budget consist of bout 850 bucks a month to play around with. i have all the time and energy in the world. I just dont really want to spend the next 5 years getting there. I have all the know how and friends to back it up(alot older, wiser and with more expertise) as far as work and what not goes so I really dont need a shop to do anything unless its something i cant do in my garage like machine a block or fly cut pistons. So figure on an 850 dollar a month salary i wanna get into the 10's quickly and effectively.

 

[Paul]

With $850 a month, you should be able to get there in about three years. The first will be spent buying a daily driver, and last two will be saving for the necessary parts to run 10s.


Be realistic. Start with a goal of 13s. One step at a time.

Step 1: Tune-Up
Step 2; Gears
Step 3: Shifter
Step 4: Full Exhaust

...once you're there, we can talk again.

Paul.

 

[Schiffy]

the cheapest and most reliable way to get me into the 10's on a student budget I'm all ears. Thanx.

Cheap, reliable, and 10s don't really go together.

:rollinglaugh:

 

[vettekiller3]

i already have a daily driver my truck i so no need to wait for that i drove the car everyday while i was building the 460 i dropped in it. so i drive that everyday now and the car more or less sits while i wait to figure out what i am going to do. i drive it every once in a while.

 

[Mr. OAM]

Personally, and as a Father, I would recommend realizing that this time while you are in school is your committment to preparing yourself for a career in whatever field of study you are going for. This is not the time to build a 10 second, dual purpose (street/strip) car. As Paul suggested go ahead and build something fun that gets you into the 13's. You can have fun with this car and have money left over to buy gas for both it and the 460 truck as well as to do other things to have fun. Otherwise you will end up with every dollar and minute being spent on building this incredible car you've got planned. You're going to need to do other things other than school, homework, and work on this car or you will go nuts with the monotany of it all. You also won't have money to do anything else.

That doesn't mean you should forget your plans or just simply do "nothing." By the way you worded your question it sounds like you can use some time researching engine performance and getting an understanding of how engines make power and why. You can see what is available on the market and what prices are among the parts that would be right for the way you want to build your engine. By researching engine performance you will have a beeter idea of how to build the engine you want at the reliability you want and what kind of expectations are reasonable. Learn about head porting and what the magic is in them that seperates one porter from a porting guru. You will also have to look into chassis building as you will need to reinforce your car so that you can apply the power to the pavement as well as keep from twisting the body. There are also NHRA and IHRA rules that you need to know with the chassis safety in order to be able to drive the car down the track.

We all want to do everything right away. That is natural. Just look at your situation, the committment you've made by choosing to make something of yourself by going to college, and realize the big picture of things. Besides, would some of that monthly money be needed to pay back student loans?

Make a fun car, have fun with your friends, do well in college, and after you've got that killer job, a place to live, and all that other "fun" stuff then you can start on that "ultimate" car. :thumb:


Steve

 

[Paul]

+1 College is more important than a car.


Plus, once you're done with college and have a good job you'll have more money to spend on fast cars.

 

[ryclef331]

Fuck school....blow it all on your car.

Remember, you can sleep in a car but you can't race a house.

is the car an auto or a stick?

My CHEAP-O ten second recipe would be.....


GUTTED and I mean GUTTED cept for two front seats and carpet to look presentable. No a/c, no power steering, no swaybar, no emissions...nothing...well maybe a radio with only door speakers just to keep your sanity...wait...thats my car.

Yank the motor. Buy a set of .030" pistons. Drop the short block (STILL ASSEMBLED) off at a machine shop. Tell them to rebuild it and slap in the forged pistons. Now you got a 306 bottom end with forged pistons. If you shop around, you COULD build that for about...a lil over a grand.

shop around some more for a set of GT40 ALUMINUM heads and a GT40 or Cobra intake....slap'em on with a set cometic gaskets Throw in an E-cam for good measure.
If you shop smart and wait for deals...you COULD do that for about...eh...1200 or probably even less.

24lb injectors a maf cal'd for them...probably 300 bucks used. I paid 400 for 30lbers and an 80 mm pro-m b/c I need'ed them stat.

Bolt ons: Underdrive pullies, Fuel Pressure Regulator (A MUST), long tube headers, off road pipe, what ever cat back you want, 70mm throttle body, 255lph FUEL PUMP (this is key b/c of whats next) etc. etc. probably a lil over a grand or so...again...shop around!

GET A DYNO TUNE...

THE MONEY MAKER!

GET A NITROUS PLATE KIT...start small and work your way up to 200shot.

Suspension: (Upper and lower control arms out back, 50/50 shocks, 90/10 struts, stock springs up front, 4 cylinder fox springs in the back) and Big and skinny welds with some GOOD drag radials. 4.10 gears...at least. rebuild the trac-loc unit out back with some extra shims to "tighten" it up. Subframe connectors to make sure you don't tweak the body.

obvsiously, you can't just slap all that on and expect to rip off a 10 second pass your first time out. BUT with time, practice, chassis tuning, it can be done. That is pretty much mod for mod, what my buddy used in his LX (yeah its a fox...but...it was also a...) convertible used for 2 years to click off 10.70s with a 5 speed...the key was the nos big shot plate kit. He also ran 28x10.50 full slicks but the same results can be duplicated. He ran a 60,000 mile bottom end in his car but always kept a spare short block layng around....just in case. He has other shit too like MSD ignition for timing control on the spray. In a nut shell thats a ten second combo...and should be more than mild enough to ride around on the street with. There are a MILLION ways to do it. thats how I'd do it if I was starting from scratch though.

 

[Paul]

Fuck school....blow it all on your car.

LMAO. Tell us how you really feel Ry. :hammer:

 

[stang4u2nv]

amen to rycleff....

 

[Schiffy]

f**k school....blow it all on your car.

LMAO. Tell us how you really feel Ry. :hammer:

lol

 

[Mr. OAM]

Eh, yeah, to hell with your parents sacrifice and money. :knuppel2:



Steve

 

[vettekiller3]

lol! Im not saying F**k school im gonna dump my money into my car but ive got a free ride to school i pick up this job just for my car and at the end of every month after all the bills that 850 bucks is purely for the car. I'd really rather not gut the sh*t out of the car. im not asking for combos guys i just wanted your opinions on what you think i should do. I've got a 5.0 out of an 89 mustang laying around aswell as a 88 351w out of a f-150. I'm just wondering what would be the best route to take to get to the 10's. should i stroke the 351 to a 393 or 408 and fuel inject it. or stick with my original plans of changing the top end and turbo charging it. Either way i was going to buy a tweecer programer and was gonna obviously get it dyno tuned by someone who knows what theyre doing. but I'm just curious as to what you all think i should do.

 

[Paul]

Start here...

Be realistic. Start with a goal of 13s. One step at a time.

Step 1: Tune-Up
Step 2; Gears
Step 3: Shifter
Step 4: Full Exhaust

...once you're there, we can talk again.

Paul.

 

[vettekiller3]

Ok let memention all my mods. CAI, off roadt h-pipe, 3 inch flow tubes to 3 inch tips, 4.30 gears(really steap thinking bout 3.73's) and im about to buy a tweecer programmer but im still not sure i dont here ppl really talking bout them on here. its a 5 spd by the way. so with all these mods whats next i figured itd be time to build a new power plant to take me atleast to the mid 11's.

 

[ryclef331]

Ok let memention all my mods. CAI, off roadt h-pipe, 3 inch flow tubes to 3 inch tips, 4.30 gears(really steap thinking bout 3.73's) and im about to buy a tweecer programmer but im still not sure i dont here ppl really talking bout them on here. its a 5 spd by the way. so with all these mods whats next i figured itd be time to build a new power plant to take me atleast to the mid 11's.

easily...

Hey...I'll take them 4.30's off your hands.

 

[Paul]

I have a 95 mustang gt... Its completely stock

... but then:

Ok let memention all my mods. CAI, off roadt h-pipe, 3 inch flow tubes to 3 inch tips, 4.30 gears(really steap thinking bout 3.73's)

WTF?

 

[vettekiller3]

Quote from: vettekiller3 on April 29, 2008, 04:03:59 PM
I have a 95 mustang gt... Its completely stock

... but then:

Quote from: vettekiller3 on Today at 03:48:01 PM
Ok let memention all my mods. CAI, off roadt h-pipe, 3 inch flow tubes to 3 inch tips, 4.30 gears(really steap thinking bout 3.73's)

WTF?

ya that was my mistake when i said completely stock i meant internally stock h/c/i etc. but i shouldnt have said completely. My mistake.