Photoshoot of the Company Cars (DUW)

[Hellion94]

Hahaha yeah, I think we all need Termy's

And yeah, the turbo+blower deal is a bad bitch. Here's another little tease, the red Cobra makes well over 1,000 rwhp...on the stock motor, with the stock blower.

 

[Javi]

Hahaha yeah, I think we all need Termy's

And yeah, the turbo+blower deal is a bad *****. Here's another little tease, the red Cobra makes well over 1,000 rwhp...on the stock motor, with the stock blower.

Have any videos or some more info about that red cobra besides the info on hellion.com? is really interested 1000+hp on stock motor, have you guys thought just for the heck of it strap a bigger blower imp2:

 

[rick focks]

blower + turbo??? can you do twin turbo+blower+nitrous????
i got lost in those mountains once, pretty cool

 

[Javi]

blower + turbo??? can you do twin turbo+blower+nitrous????
i got lost in those mountains once, pretty cool

here is a pic of the setup,i think is already TT

 

[rick focks]

THAT PIC, NEXT TO YOUR AV, IT'S LIKE... :behind: :boink: :behind:
then add nitrous just to complete the trifecta....and a pulley and the biggest turbos....

 

[Javi]

you mean strap a 3.4 blower change pulleys,upgrade the turbos to T76's and nitrous ,now you got to worry about traction



need a Termy :'(

 

[97vertstang]

wouldnt the blower become a restriction for the turbos??? how does that work??? do they gut the blower out?????

 

[AaRoN]

awesome pics

 

[Hellion94]

wouldnt the blower become a restriction for the turbos??? how does that work??? do they gut the blower out?????

No. We actually have been getting a lot of questions/crap about this. (BTW I'm not saying that you're talking crap about it, just saying. O0)

Here's how it works:

You do NOT want to use a smaller blower pulley, we tried that with bad results. And yes the blower is totally stock and intact and functional. And no, we haven't tried a bigger blower yet.

Here's how the whole compound boost things works, and why it may be somewhat of a restriction, but also why it can still work in this case.

All boost is, is positive manifold pressure. This means that the turbo or blower is forcing so much air into the engine, that the engine can't keep up, and the air backs up. This buildup of air is the pressure that is measured and displayed as boost. Now, the roots supercharger on this car would normally be spinning fast, creating a vacuum that would need to be fed by air, that's the induction. By feeding that supercharger with the boost provided by the turbos, you create a compound system, one that doesn't rely on pure atmosphere for boost. This system spools faster, and creates more boost than is possible with any other system.

The stock pulley ratio creates about 10 lbs of boost or so on our car, maybe a tad more. When this is combined with boost from the turbos, it multiplies it to create a higher level of boost. In this case it would be a multiplication of 2.5, so 10 pounds from the turbos would be 25 pounds at the engine. Now, a big blower at low boost would be optimal due to the amount of air that can flow through it being greater than that of the stock Eaton, but by supplying the air to the blower, you make it work less because it doesn't have to "suck" as hard to create the boost. It is still an object that the air has to travel past though, and in that sense, it is a restriction. But this kit will work with or without the blower, so it's up to you. All I have to say is - I would keep the blower. The boost and throttle response is just awesome.

Here's a shortened, easy version. Basically, what this system does is create a REALLY REALLY efficient roots blower. It does this by creating a ton of boost, while only spinning the blower fast enough to create 10 pounds of boost. This reduces heat and restriction.

 

[Javi]

ohhh now i understand O0

 

[Hellion94]

Yeah.

But if you don't like the idea of keeping the blower, it will bolt up to a 99 & 01 Cobra intake also, just like the other Cobra kits.

It's a little confusing at first, but it's more simple than it sounds. This concept has been around in the diesel world for a long time.

 

[Javi]

cool,so how many HP the cobra has to the wheels?

 

[rick focks]

wow...this concept makes me smile!!! will it work w/nitrous??? Thanks, Dr. Science!!!

 

[Hellion94]

cool,so how many HP the cobra has to the wheels?

I don't think John wants me spilling the beans quite yet on what it made, but I don't think it will hurt. Just don't tell anybody..

It made 1200 hp to the rear tires.

wow...this concept makes me smile!!! will it work w/nitrous??? Thanks, Dr. Science!!!

Haha, it's an interesting concept for sure.

In the diesel industry, they used to do it by powering one turbo that would then blow compressed air into the inducer ( impeller inlet) of another turbo, which would compress that, and blow it either into the intake or another turbo. By doing this they could create 100 lbs. of boost, but still keep the turbos in an efficient heat range.

I would leave the nitrous out of this, especially on a stock motor, but meth injection would be just the ticket.

 

[Javi]

cool,so how many HP the cobra has to the wheels?

I don't think John wants me spilling the beans quite yet on what it made, but I don't think it will hurt. Just don't tell anybody..

It made 1200 hp to the rear tires.

are you guys thinking on building the motor or just going to wait till it blows? :hammer:

god 1200 to the ground is just amazing,specially stock motor, faak the lsx series 32 valves is the way to go,forget about the VT motors too

 

[Hellion94]

Wait till it blows, so we can see what the limit is.

 

[Javi]

Wait till it blows, so we can see what the limit is.

i figured that,thats why i asked.

 

[rick focks]

line up 8 turbos all feeding each other, run a turbo off each exhuast port....400 psi boost FTW!!!

 

[Hellion94]

Actually, with that many turbos, all feeding off of one cylinder and not into each other, you would actually create LESS boost due to the strain on the engine. It doesn't matter how many turbo's you have. You would actually be able to create more boost from one large turbo than you would several smaller turbos. The only real reason for doing twin/quad/ whatever turbo setups is efficiency and quicker spool, which you eventually lose anyway at a certain point.

If you have one big turbo, and you create 30 lbs. of boost, the turbo will need to be large enough to create 30 lbs. of boost and support the horsepower that it would be making. Now with this will most likely come a considerable amount of lag time. To remedy this, you can use 2 mid-sized turbos that can create the same or similar boost numbers, but since they are smaller, the lag time will be reduced, effectively increasing the efficiency.

Now with a compound setup, the turbos would actually be feeding eachother air. A turbo doesn't know that the air coming into it is compressed or not compressed, it's only job is to take that air and compress it further, same with a positive displacement supercharger, or centrifugal. by feeding any one of these air that is already compressed, the turbo/blower will then compress it further, while only working hard enough to compress it at maybe 10 psi. The result is incredible amounts of boost, with incredible efficiency rates.

 

[rick focks]

Dr. Science strikes again..thanks for lesson! no wonder you work for hellion