Reasons for tuning with correct data

[2002BLGT]

Previous tuner had loaded completely wrong data in the tune and hacked the MAF transfer to add fuel on top end , but the car was really lean at part throttle and tip in , look what loading the correct data in the tune did , picked up 53 RWHP and 68 RWTQ at 4000 rpms and even more below that over the previous tune

 

[Mrstangerbanger]

That is why it sucks you pay these guys $650 bucks and hope they do a good job...

I was thinking of getting the quarter house and doing it myself ....

 

[2002BLGT]

That is why it sucks you pay these guys $650 bucks and hope they do a good job...

I was thinking of getting the quarter house and doing it myself ....

I can set you up with one with a baseline tune , help get the software setup and help guide you thru adjusting it , you will also need a wideband , QH is nice but yo can get the job done with a chip and chip burner as well just makes it easier with the QH cause you dont have to pull the chip each time you make an adjustment

 

[ttocs]

stangbanger - I keep hearin you talk about tuners as though they know nothing, and that you seem to know more then them. Just curious What is your experience in tuning that would lead you to believe that you can just pick up the tuner and do it all correctly? Willing to bet that the original tuner that did it wrong was only off a few percent here/there that made this difference. I know nothing about tuning which is why I made my appt and I am curious to see the before/after to see what the sct chip from bama performance was like. It feels like it could have some balls if we let them outta the tune but much like yours HCI swap I was thinkin it would be quicker then it is.

 

[2002BLGT]

This guy had 30lbs injectors and PMAS meter with a flow sheet , owner got concerned when he saw the guy toss the flow sheet down and never entered the data in the tune , when I read the chip it had unknown MAF transfer in it with a huge spike from 3.2 volts on up to add fuel and the reason for this was he put data in for 42lbs injectors which made the tune really really lean on idle , part throttle and all the tip in area where the MAF volts are under 3.2 , and engine cant make power burning just air , so thus the huge difference in power under 4500 RPMS is show on the dyno sheet above , I think what Mrstang is getting at is this guy got charged well over $550 for a dyno tune and the shop screwed him big time , he had to come to me and pay me again to fix it all. I think Mrstang is just concerned that this might happen to him , hence the reason for wanting to do it himself

 

[ttocs]

I can understand the idea of not wanting to get screwed but I know if I did it, it would probably be worse then the tuner did at the least.

 

[Mrstangerbanger]

I know for a fact if i wanted to do it and learn i could.

tuning my car would be hard but not impossible ...

There is enough support online to get the job done ...http://eectuning.org

The funny thing is I have owned a business for over 7 years and like anything I do i want to make sure its done right period ...

That is why if you look at my car its clean as fuck ..

Thats why I built my motor and i did not have to worry about someone fucking my car up ...

I think that if you own a mustang and you always have the need to go faster then you should learn how to work on your own car and be able to tune the computer ...

You will save money in the long run ...

I was never trying to stay i know more then the tuner i was just saying that your trusting someone to make the right changes in the computer and not fuck up the tune for $650 dollars

If you go to eectuning.org you could read were a lot of people have been taken from bad tuners ...

 

[Mrstangerbanger]

I can set you up with one with a baseline tune , help get the software setup and help guide you thru adjusting it , you will also need a wideband , QH is nice but yo can get the job done with a chip and chip burner as well just makes it easier with the QH cause you dont have to pull the chip each time you make an adjustment

How much for everything...

 

[ttocs]

I agree that it is good to know how to work on your car and I have been learning myself. I have a degree in electronics and worked as a audio security installer for 15 yrs so with wires/electronics I am not afraid but am still an amature mechanically speaking. Now when I was trained in audio/security or even in any of the jobs my degree landed me, I was trained by another person that already knew what to do, what not to do, and the points inbetween that are important and this is also the way I have trained people. I think it is important to know your limits and to have someon with exp to tell you when to stop what you are doing to keep from damaging something when getting into a technical area that you have 0 exp in. There have been countless times that trainer over me or me over my trainee has stopped them from making really bad/expensive mistakes. I can't say that this compaires to taking tuning advice over the net from people that you hope are better tuners then the ones you fear to go to but have no way of knowing. At least ifa pro tuner messes up your ride you might have a legal outlet to make yourself whole but if you take some bad advice from joe-schmoe from the net and mess something up then you are just screwed and have no one to blame but yourself. I take anything I read on forums online with a BIG grain of salt as more often then not it is some kid that knows everything about nothing and just can't shut up.

I did some research on my tuner, asked around and found nothing but good reviews from them and they look to be a good enough biz to stand behind their work which is what I want. While I am there I will be watching, asking questions and learning as much as I can not because I will do it myself next time but just to know more about my car and how it works. Hell even good tuners can make mistakes that are fatal when they overlook something but when you or I make that mistake it wasn't because we overlookes something it is because we were ignorant to the protocall of what needs to be done.

 

[Mrstangerbanger]

My family owned 3 stereo stores for over 30 years so we both know car audio....

I get what your saying and i will probably have them tune my car i was just trying to say that you are trusting some guy with the car you love ...


What was the stereo store you work for and what brands did you sell ?

My dad was the 52 dealer of eclipse , jl audio ,rockford fosgate , zapco and that is my first love but we both know car audio is no longer like it use to be ...

 

[ttocs]

I would rather trust someone that I meet in person that I can talk to, ask about with my buddies and confirm he knows what he knows. I have seen some of the STUPIDEST pieces of advice given over the net, and even seen others back it up even though it could not have been any more wrong. couple of years ago I found a how-to posted on another mustang site where a software eng in utah showed how he upgraded the power system to his amplifiers by adding a 12v lantern/flashlight batter inline on the power wire like you would a cap. Even though I gave my work/educational exp and explained that not only was it not a rechargable batt but it was also NEVER meant to handle that type of current. Next thing I know there are two other tools on there explaining that since he is a software eng he must be a smart guy that knows his stuff. All I could comment was to install a fire ext at the same time..

I got my foot in the door installing at worst lie and after I got mecp certed I ran to the closest custom shop. They carried PG(which was the spawn of my pg addiction), ID, RF, diamond audio alpine and a few others. After I graduated from school I moved to phoenix for my job at intel and left the industry for a short time. After being away for maybe a couple of years the hobby was again fun since I wasn't doing it 50 hrs a week and I was now off 14 days a month at intel so I picked up a side job installing again. The first place was a shop called streamline audio on scottsdale blvd. They were one of the first shops to close when the market changed so I went a couple of miles down the road to soundwerkz again on scottsdale blvd. They did alpine, kenwood, diamond, jl and quart.

 

[Mrstangerbanger]

Ya my mustang has one of the highest score in sq in meca in my class ... its a amazing sounding car. Have you ever competed in meca?

 

[ttocs]

never did compete. I build my stereos for my enjoyment and there are not many shows in the midwest. My current build I am building so if a show was around I could go see how it does but otherwise it just isn't important to me what others think it sounds like.

 

[95-stang]

Well i can vouch for EEC Tuning as probably the most helpful tuning forum for our cars on the net. Being in the UK there's very limited resources for tuning a 95, and even if you can get it on a dyno you cant just drive around and pick up anything you need to improve your tune off the shelf. When i went for the Q\H i only had a vague idea of how to use it [things are still a bit cloudy] so i ordered a baseline tune from a fairly well known tuner [not on here i may add] it seems he also ignored my Maf curve chart [and possibly my engine specs] that i e-mailed him. I had check lights coming on [something i have never had] and some pretty poor performance to be fair to the guy i got a refund but my confidence in tuning had taken a real smack in the face. Fortunately after some help from EEC Tuning its been really good, it could do with some fine tweaking but i have had a few problems that have put any more mods on hold for the moment.

 

[ttocs]

Not cutting you down, but it sounds as though from what you said that you are about as much as an amature on this as anyone right(still cloudy)? If that is the case I am not really sure how you can vouch for the site as anything more then helpfull since you are not sure what you are doing is right yet and also not sure of the long-term effects.

but this quote stuck me as odd,"and even if you can get it on a dyno you cant just drive around and pick up anything you need to improve your tune off the shelf" - not sure how you can call putting it on a dyno picking something up off the shelf but that is where you would correct a bad tune after visably seeing something was wrong with the real world data.

I have to chuckle a little that this site is pretty well aginst mail order tunes on sct chips but all about someone with no exp picking up that quarter horse and running outta the gate after perusing the eec site. While I am afraid that I MIGHT get a bad tune done if my tuner makes a mistake, just as you said 95-stang I would expect there to be some stumbling/tripping while learning this stuff and I would expect to make some mistakes. Now the odds of the tuner making a mistake is hopefully much much lower then when I make my mistake, which is what I am banking on. Again do it right, do it once is my motto. I would rather pay someone for their professional exp at a job they have been doing for years then to spend my time wondering from day-to-day if I did it right or what my next adjustment will be. While the pride of doing it yourelf is nice I want to get in the car, start it up and know that it was done professionally and will not be a problem. Do you think that your tune on the QH is as good or better then putting it on a dyno?


My point is that I have a few random internet people(with admitatly not much exp) tellin me that anyone can do it and it almost seems that everyone should because I MIGHT get a bad tuner, just like the people that wanted to hook up that lantern battery to thier amp. I am not trying to insult anyone but on one side I have a pro tuner I have researched and not found a bad report yet on from anyone he has helped(very small town) and on the other side I have a random internet guy that is admitting he is cloudy on the subj, but that he vouches for a site that will teach me how to use it.

 

[2002BLGT]

I have been tuning cars for going on 10 years and doing it professionally for 5 years and am SCT certified , if anybody has any questions on tuning they can email me at [email protected]

 

[DFG_magic]

so you're dirtydirtyracing! I've heard good stuff about you, bro. I have started tuning myself, but it's good to know you're on this forum. What's the best way to add timing on the T4M0? I was told setting base timing back to *10 on the dizzy and scaling the global_spark_adder alone won't get the job done. Which tables should I be concerned with? I'm aware the ECT and ACT tables have something to do with timing as well. Say I just want to add 4-5 degrees to my base timing. I already have my MAF transfer table sorted out for my ProM 75mm bullet for 19's. Thanks in advance. Willing to donate.

 

[2002BLGT]

so you're dirtydirtyracing! I've heard good stuff about you, bro. I have started tuning myself, but it's good to know you're on this forum. What's the best way to add timing on the T4M0? I was told setting base timing back to *10 on the dizzy and scaling the global_spark_adder alone won't get the job done. Which tables should I be concerned with? I'm aware the ECT and ACT tables have something to do with timing as well. Say I just want to add 4-5 degrees to my base timing. I already have my MAF transfer table sorted out for my ProM 75mm bullet for 19's. Thanks in advance. Willing to donate.

Email me at [email protected] if you have specific questions , if you already have a tune file you are working on send it with the email

 

[DFG_magic]

Sent you my .bin file. Thanks bro!