I have a '97 Mustang GT and I want to supercharger it when I get out of basic training for the Army. The only mods the car has now is it's lowered on KYB shock and Eibach springs, Summit O/R H-pipe, and Flowmaster 40's. From what I hear the vortech s-trim is probly the best way to go. Is this true? I wanted to do a Kenne Bell but of course that was thrown out the window when I discovered they don't make a kit for my car anymore. My car currently has 125,000 miles on it but has been taken care of extremely well and was garage kept by its orginal owner who was a middle aged man, then my dad got it and garage kept it and now I got it. Is that mileage too high for forced induction? Any other reccomendations as far as supercharging it?
Should I supercharge my car?
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bottlefed97
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Do it! If it's been taken care of mileage will not be an issue.
S-Trims are great for stock, unforged motors. Just keep it around 8/9lbs of boost, once you go more than that you're putting a lot of stress on the stock rods.
S-Trims are great for stock, unforged motors. Just keep it around 8/9lbs of boost, once you go more than that you're putting a lot of stress on the stock rods.
bottlefed97
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On basically a bone stock non P.I. 4.6 with an S-Trim you should see anywhere from 290-320 to the wheels. The auto transmission takes a few ponies away on the dyno as well.
At the track, it all depends on what tire you're using. With stock street tires there's no way of telling because you would just be spinning through first and second. With some drag radials and a good 60' time, you could potentially hit mid 12's with that setup. But then you have the issue of bending an axle using drag radials, which i've done before.
With 370 to the wheels on my car (nitrous) i've run a 12.02 with M/T drag radials.
At the track, it all depends on what tire you're using. With stock street tires there's no way of telling because you would just be spinning through first and second. With some drag radials and a good 60' time, you could potentially hit mid 12's with that setup. But then you have the issue of bending an axle using drag radials, which i've done before.
With 370 to the wheels on my car (nitrous) i've run a 12.02 with M/T drag radials.
Agree with bottlefed. Mileage isn't an issue. Keep it under 360-380whp with a good tune and you'll be fine. I actually just got a vortech s-trim kit for my 96 gt auto but everything hasn't came yet.
Stock non pi at 6-8psi you will see 260-300 with an automatic so many things come into play but I am personally hoping for 300whp and mid 8s in the 1/8th mile. I'll have a few other parts that aren't included in the vortech kit so possibly a little more.
My odometer reads 178k miles and hasn't worked since the previous owner got the car well over 200k I'm sure but compression and leakdown indicate a healthy engine. I have a complete PI motor incase this one goes pop. If it stays together it will get stuffed with forged goodies.
Stock non pi at 6-8psi you will see 260-300 with an automatic so many things come into play but I am personally hoping for 300whp and mid 8s in the 1/8th mile. I'll have a few other parts that aren't included in the vortech kit so possibly a little more.
My odometer reads 178k miles and hasn't worked since the previous owner got the car well over 200k I'm sure but compression and leakdown indicate a healthy engine. I have a complete PI motor incase this one goes pop. If it stays together it will get stuffed with forged goodies.
KB98GT
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Just to let you know if you do a PI head swap you can run a KB!!!!
Thanks eveyone. A lot of help. I know I can do the KB with the PI heads but the expenses are rediculous. For the heads then turn around and drop another 5000 on the KB, in my opinion is if I'm going to put that much money into the car I'll sell it and just get something else. I know the vortech is a pretty bada$$ supercharger, but how does the paxton and prochargers compare to it?
bottlefed97
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I'll write up a lil somethin when I get home about the comparisons, i'm at work and i'm dodging the bosses wandering eyes lmao
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I wouldnt suggest doing a supercharger until you can afford to do all the bolt ons and mods to go along with it or run more boost / motor work, 2 valve non pi 96-98 cars stock with a basic blower package make horrible power like 260-320rwhp with 6-10psi with a otherwise stock car, I would be embarssed to be supercharged and still make that low of power and lose to a modded or stock / bolt on new cars that are all now 300+hp stock lol ive seen several guys on here put up there numbers and still couldnt break 300rwhp with a blower on a non pi s/c stock motor thats embarssing even to all motor modded or stock motor turbo honda guys can make that power lol :crybaby2: :BangHead:
for example my friend wishes he waited and did more work, his car made horrible power even with high boost.
his car 1996 mustang gt 4.6
stock motor stock everything just following mods:
intake,catback exaust and x pipe,procharger with 10psi and he still only dynoed 315rwhp and with the largest 12 psi pulley was only another 20hp and more then 6-10 psi on a stock motor isnt a good idea..
and now the car is up for sale lol he raced a intake exaust only 2006 gt and lost, so he pissed and is selling it lol :laughing4:
for example my friend wishes he waited and did more work, his car made horrible power even with high boost.
his car 1996 mustang gt 4.6
stock motor stock everything just following mods:
intake,catback exaust and x pipe,procharger with 10psi and he still only dynoed 315rwhp and with the largest 12 psi pulley was only another 20hp and more then 6-10 psi on a stock motor isnt a good idea..
and now the car is up for sale lol he raced a intake exaust only 2006 gt and lost, so he pissed and is selling it lol :laughing4:
Yeah not to be a party pooper but I think it's a great idea as long as you can afford to build the motor if it blows. It PROBABLY wont happen but can you afford it if it does? It's not as stressful as juice but it can still heat up a motor very quickly. If you can afford it then go for it. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
DropTopPony
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The Vortec is a nice kit to start with and grow with later down the road. The stock Intake and cams hurt performance on blown cars bad! You could start with the blower then when money and time allow upgrade the intake/cams etc and have a nice street friendly combo.
I like the procharger setup also, but if I was going with a kit for myself it would probably be a paxton novi2000
I like the procharger setup also, but if I was going with a kit for myself it would probably be a paxton novi2000
definately need supporting mods whether it be FMU/BTM or injectors/maf/pump/tune.
depends on your budget. if budget minded grab some PI cams and a PI manifold, those 2 mods ALONE on a boosted nonPI will give you another 50whp or more. definately the best bang for buck after the blower.
dont worry about dyno numbers, honestly, putting down 175-185 stock through the auto, bolting on the vortech out the box will give you ATLEAST 260 which is 90WHP gain. how can ANYBODY complain about that??? i've seen 260whp cars go mid 8s in the 1/8th mile with stock converter and trans, you aint getting any better than a 9.4 bone stock through the auto.
i dont have any experience with ATI/procharger, but from what i see they are right there with vortech in performance, but reliability isnt proven like vortech. the paxton NOVI is probably the best street blower out. vortech is proven to perform and be VERY reliable. cant go wrong with the paxton or vortech, vortech is a good bit cheaper so obviously its more popular.
depends on your budget. if budget minded grab some PI cams and a PI manifold, those 2 mods ALONE on a boosted nonPI will give you another 50whp or more. definately the best bang for buck after the blower.
dont worry about dyno numbers, honestly, putting down 175-185 stock through the auto, bolting on the vortech out the box will give you ATLEAST 260 which is 90WHP gain. how can ANYBODY complain about that??? i've seen 260whp cars go mid 8s in the 1/8th mile with stock converter and trans, you aint getting any better than a 9.4 bone stock through the auto.
i dont have any experience with ATI/procharger, but from what i see they are right there with vortech in performance, but reliability isnt proven like vortech. the paxton NOVI is probably the best street blower out. vortech is proven to perform and be VERY reliable. cant go wrong with the paxton or vortech, vortech is a good bit cheaper so obviously its more popular.
lots of ways to get there, but i'd personally say:
vortech S trim atleast, 42lb injectors, 255 fuel pump, lightning MAF, PI intake, PI cams (or aftermarket), 8psi.... should be 350 WHP or very very close, depending on the tune, possibly even more, most STOCK PI guys get right at 400 with that setup, but their heads flow a bit better than ours.
that setup should get you 350-380 even through the auto, thats about the power level i'd feel comfortable with for a daily driver on stock shortblock, especially with auto which would be the same as a manual having 400ish.....
vortech S trim atleast, 42lb injectors, 255 fuel pump, lightning MAF, PI intake, PI cams (or aftermarket), 8psi.... should be 350 WHP or very very close, depending on the tune, possibly even more, most STOCK PI guys get right at 400 with that setup, but their heads flow a bit better than ours.
that setup should get you 350-380 even through the auto, thats about the power level i'd feel comfortable with for a daily driver on stock shortblock, especially with auto which would be the same as a manual having 400ish.....
bottlefed97
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^ He speaks the truth... everything I would have said myself lol.
By the way, Procharger, Vortech, and Paxton are pretty much the same, except with a procharger you don't have to tap into your oil pan, they are self contained.
A Vortech S-Trim and a Procharger P1SC are comparable and are the base model blowers.
A Vortech T-Trim, a Procharger D1SC, and a Paxton Novi 2000 are comprable and are capable of pushing more boost more efficiently.
By the way, Procharger, Vortech, and Paxton are pretty much the same, except with a procharger you don't have to tap into your oil pan, they are self contained.
A Vortech S-Trim and a Procharger P1SC are comparable and are the base model blowers.
A Vortech T-Trim, a Procharger D1SC, and a Paxton Novi 2000 are comprable and are capable of pushing more boost more efficiently.
thanks everyone. sorry for so many questions im new to the forced induction scene. so if i do the additional mods with the vortech and i hit the 350whp then would that be pretty quick versus many other cars? I don't want to be the fastest in town but if some turbo ricer pulls up flexing his pea shooters or something similar i want to be able to put them in their place because it would be pretty embarrasing having a forced induction car and getting beat by something N/A or a ricer
bottlefed97
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army35m said:
LMAO "peashooters" hahaha dude you are funny!
Definitely with a full P.I. swap (heads/cams/intake) and the blower with the supporting mods you will definitely make 350whp.
Don't worry about the questions, that's how I learned the little bit I know lol
