Toyota Tacomas....

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Im seriously concidering buying one. I friggin love the bright blue 05+ ones but the thing is you can get one in the 99-03 range for about $4-5,000 less. Anyone know much about these trucks, advice on them anyone?

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why dont you do some research on how many problems Toyota is having right now...

TONS of quality issues

unprecedented amount of recalls going on right now from them.... over the past three years

from ball joints, to transmissions, to Tundra's snapping cams in two
 

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Toyota products have been on a downward spiral for some time now, it looks like the mainstream media is finally catching on. noes

Toyota skids in reliability rankings

Consumer Reports said it no longer recommends V6 versions of Toyota's Camry or four-wheel-drive V8 versions of its Tundra pick-up because of poor reliability.

In the past, because Toyota (Charts) products have so consistently proved reliable, the magazine would assume at least average reliability for Toyota's brand new cars, without waiting for survey data from owners.

But from now on, the magazine will wait for a full year of reliability survey data to come in before it recommends a Toyota product - as it does with most other manufacturers.

Ford, in particular, is improving in quality, according to Consumer Reports. In all, 93 percent of Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles showed average or better reliability in the most recent reliability survey.

Among overall brands, Ford's Mercury brand ranked 11th, the Ford brand ranked 13th and the Lincoln luxury brand ranked 14th. Other than Buick, they were the highest-ranking domestic brands.

Mike Hardie, Ford's director of quality, predicted that Ford would take the top position in Consumer Reports reliability rankings in the near future.

Ford's quality has tended to be more consistent, with steady improvement year over year, than that of other domestic manufacturers, said David Champion, head of auto testing for Consumer Reports.

"GM and Chrysler have been more hit-and-miss," said Champion.

Of the 39 cars rated "Most Reliable" in Consumer Reports new list, four are by domestic manufacturers. They are the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, two-wheel-drives Ford F-150 V6 and GM's Pontiac Vibe. The Vibe is built in cooperation with Toyota and shares its engineering with the Toyota Matrix."[/b][/i]

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/16/autos/cr_reliability/index.htm?cnn=yes

October 16, 2007
Consumer Reports 2007 Annual Car Reliability Survey highlights

"After years of sterling reliability, Toyota is showing cracks in its armor, according to data from Consumer Reports' 2007 Annual Car Reliability Survey. By contrast, Ford's domestic brands have made considerable improvements.

The V6 version of the company's top-selling Camry, and the four-wheel-drive V8 version of the Tundra pickup, both redesigned for 2007, now rate below average in Consumer Reports' predicted reliability rating."

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2007/10/car-reliability.html

October 2007

Reliability trends

Our latest survey tracks a decade’s worth of trouble

Over the years, the reliability of Toyota-built vehicles (including Lexus and Scion) has been nothing short of sterling. However, our 2007 Annual Car Reliability Survey indicates that the Japanese automaker has slipped a bit. Three models manufactured by Toyota, including a version of the top-selling Camry, now rate below average in our predicted reliability.

By contrast, Ford's domestic makes have made considerable improvements in reliability. Of the Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury models in our survey, 93 percent scored average or better in predicted reliability.

Other news from our latest survey:

* Overall, Asian models still dominate in reliability, accounting for 34 of the 39 models in the Most reliable new car list. Thirty-one are Japanese and three are South Korean.

* Despite Toyota's problems, the automaker still ranks third overall in reliability, behind only Honda and Subaru, with 17 models in the best list. Honda has seven with a smaller model lineup.

* Only four domestic models made the Most reliable list: the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Pontiac Vibe, and the two-wheel-drive Ford F-150 with the V6 engine. U.S. makes, however, account for almost half the models--20 of 44--on the Least reliable list. There are 13 from GM, 6 from Chrysler, and 1 from Ford.

* European makes account for 17 models on the Least reliable list. This includes six each from Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen/Audi.

link:http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/pr...rview/index.htm


Ford quality improves, Toyota drops, Consumer Reports says
The Detroit News

Ford Motor Co. has significantly improved the quality of its cars and trucks, while Toyota Motor Co. slipped out of the No. 1 spot in Consumer Reports newest survey on vehicle reliability.

According to data released today by the well-read consumer advocacy publication, 41 of Ford's 44 models scored average or better in predicted reliability.

Honda Motor Co., meanwhile, edged Toyota out of the top spot. Three Toyota vehicles lost Consumer Report's "buy" recommendation. For the first time in the survey's history, a version of the Toyota Camry - the V6 - isn't recommended by the publication.

http://detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...PDATE/710160435
 

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heres some more:


The thing is, these press releases from CR are being covered by the mainstream media.

Even the tree huggers are starting to turn on Toyota.

Environmental groups hit Toyota on fuel economy
Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:43pm EDT

WASHINGTON, Oct 11 (Reuters) - Leading environmental groups pressed Toyota Motor Co (7203.T: Quote, Profile, Research) on Thursday to drop its opposition to the tougher of two fuel economy proposals in Congress, calling the automaker's stance contradictory.

In a letter to Shigeru Hayakawa, Toyota's chairman and chief executive, the Union of Concerned Scientists, the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, the National Environmental Trust and other organizations said Toyota should support the higher standard since it makes the best-selling gasoline-electric hybrid, the Prius.

"Unfortunately, Toyota's recent lobbying in the U.S. Congress is inconsistent with its global reputation an environmentally and socially responsible company," the group's said.

Toyota, the global sales leader and big U.S. manufacturers oppose a measure passed by the Senate in June that would require the U.S. vehicle fleet of passenger cars, sport utilities, pickups and vans to average 35 miles per gallon by 2020, a 10 mpg improvement over today's standards.

Automakers are concerned the proposed method in the bill for calculating fuel savings would hurt their businesses by effectively limiting production of pickups and sport utilities. Those vehicles have been big sellers, but are generally less efficient than cars.

The auto companies support a less stringent bill proposed in the House of Representatives that sets a goal of 32 to 35 mpg by 2022.

Momentum has slowed in Congress for passage of energy legislation, including efforts to boost fuel economy to lessen dependence on foreign oil. There is no timetable for final action.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKN1140338120071011?rpc=44

Environmentalists Target "Green" Toyota
Brandon Hill - October 5, 2007 2:01 AM


Toyota's free ride on the Green Train may be over


Toyota has been riding high on a green cloud of eco-friendliness with the American public since 2000. It was that year that Toyota introduced the first generation Prius. The tiny Echo-based compact sedan brought gasoline-electric hybrids to the mainstream.

Over the past few years, Toyota has expanded its hybrid portfolio and has seen its "green" image explode. Following the release of the first generation Prius, Toyota introduced a larger, mid-sized Prius hatchback in late 2003. Later, Toyota released a Highlander Hybrid SUV and a Camry Hybrid.

While the Toyota brand has focused on using hybrids to improve fuel economy, the Japanese auto giant's Lexus luxury division has been using the Hybrid Synergy Drive to boost performance. Increased fuel economy is still a benefit of Lexus hybrids, but the RX 400h, GS 450h and LS 600h L market the performance aspects of the additional electric motors.

Now, however, it appears that Toyota's honeymoon with environmentalists may be coming to an end. In a move that has angered the National Resources Defense Council (NRDC), Toyota decided to side with General Motors, Ford and Chrysler in opposing a proposed Senate bill that would require a corporate average of 35 MPG by 2020.

"Why is Toyota, a company that can make a car that gets 55 miles per gallon today, fighting a 35 mpg standard? If Toyota's "Moving Forward" motto is more than just empty words, the company must support a sensible increase in fuel economy to 35 mpg by 2020," said the NRDC in a statement on its website.

Instead, Toyota is putting its support behind a bill proposed by the House that would mandate targets of 32 MPG to 35 MPG by the year 2022.

“They have a green halo, justifiably, and yet unbeknownst to their customers they’ve joined forces with the Detroit Three to argue against greener standards,†said NRDC vehicles campaign director Deron Lovaas.

Toyota contends that the Senate bill is too harsh on auto manufacturers and will be tough to implement. “For the first time, the industry has actually come together for a fuel economy increase, and everyone is pulling together in the same direction,†said Toyota spokeswoman Martha Voss. “Toyota is working very hard behind the scenes to achieve the best standards possible, not only for the whole industry, but to meet the energy and environmental goals that we all share.â€Â

Considering that Toyota's lineup of cars already average more than 32 MPG by federal regulations, many may wonder why Toyota would be opposed to a measly 3 MPG increase by 2020. Toyota's concern comes from the fact that the Senate bill would require a 35 MPG average from Toyota's entire vehicle lineup -- that includes gas-guzzling pickups and SUVs.

Toyota's apprehension becomes even clearer when the new Tundra full-size pickup truck comes into the picture. Toyota's Tundra has always played second fiddle to the biggest and baddest from Detroit, but Toyota's third attempt at the full-size market is starting to gain some traction.

The new Tundra packs a 381 HP V8 engine on its options sheet and records fuel economy numbers of 14 MPG/18 MPG city/highway in 4x4 guise. The problem is compounded by the fact that the previous generation moved a meager 124,508 units – Toyota is on track to break the 200,000 units sold mark for 2007 with the redesigned Tundra.

Toyota also announced cheaper trim levels for the 2008 Tundra which will further drive sales and lower the company’s fuel economy average. In addition, Toyota is looking to drive its truck sales even further with a redesigned Land Cruiser, Lexus LX 570 and Sequoia – all of which use the potent 5.7 liter V8 engine paired with a six-speed automatic transmission.

“They market every night the Prius and the Toyota Camry  we’re the green car, huh,†remarked Representative Edward Markey (Democrat-Massachusetts) who also happens to own a Camry Hybrid. “Then watch the football games, and they’re marketing the Toyota Tundra  like the biggest vehicle ever made.â€Â

“We’re actually going to name the vehicle the Tundra, after the thing that’s being destroyed in Alaska. How ironic,†Markey continued.

There is still room for improvement on Toyota’s end, however. The company is hard at work on a diesel engine for the supersized Tundra and the company plans to implement hybrid technology into all of its vehicles by 2020.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9170
 

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A few more links:

Toyota admits Camry V6 flaw, reacts to Consumer Reports Survey

Jim Lentz, executive vice president of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. told Automotive News. "Lentz said he was not surprised that the Camry V6 was on the list as it had a transmission flaw that Toyota was aware of. “We knew in the very beginning we had a transmission issue with that vehicle,†he said. The problem caused the transmission to get stuck in second gear or pass through second gear roughly.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-admits-camry-v6-flaw-reacts-to-consumer-reports-survey.html

This problem traces all the way back to 2002.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04343/423383.stm
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/05036/453222.stm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04345/424551.stm
 

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Further proof of Toyota's recent downward spiral.

Avalon shows dent in Toyota quality; fixes sought for "problematic vehicle": http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060501/FREE/60501002&SearchID=73243279592052

NHTSA Deals Another Blow to Toyota, New Probes Might Mean More Recalls: http://www.autospies.com/news/NHTSA...yota-New-Probes-Might-Mean-More-Recalls-7488/

Toyota's hybrid SUV short on quality: http://didaauto.com/article_show.php?id=24

Feds Look Into Prius Stalling: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/01/tech/main698938.shtml

Long line of faulty cars muddies Toyota image: http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/06/business/toyota.php

Repairing Some Dents in an Image: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/05/b...76672db4e&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Toyota facing another Tundra recall: http://www.autoblog.com/2006/08/08/toyota-facing-anothertundra-recall/

Toyota Sludge Class Action Settlement: http://www.oilgelsettlement.com/detailed_notice.pdf

Oh What A Bad Feeling: Toyota To Recall 533,000 Sequoias and Tundras: http://jalopnik.com/cars/news/oh-wh...recall-533000-sequoias-and-tundras-229876.php

The Little Toyota Engine Light That Couldn't Turn Off: ToMoCo Issues Recalls For Over 250,000 Vehicles: http://fjork_duf.jalopnik.com/cars/...s-recalls-for-over-250000-vehicles-220629.php

Toyota's totally bizarre recall - Why would Toyota issue a recall designed to make vehicles less safe?: http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/11/autos/bad_recall/index.htm

Consumer Reports has just finally caught on to what everybody else has known for a few years.
 

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Some new ones...

Tundra owners grumble over rumble

Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
October 22, 2007

"Angry consumers are peppering the Internet with complaints that the torque converter in the 2007 Tundra's six-speed transmission has problems disengaging during gearshifts  a problem that Toyota acknowledges.

...Toyota Motor Sales officials have nicknamed the problem "the rumble strip" because the slippage causes vibration similar to the sensation of driving over the wake-up strips at the side of highways.

...... the problem sometimes worsens to the point that some owners can't shift into certain gears."

......"Tundra owners in several Internet chat rooms say their transmissions quit shifting properly, forcing them to limp the truck to a dealership"

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/toyota/tundra/camshaft/camshaft.html

Tundra tail gate can't support the weight of an ATV or golf cart without buckling: http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/114436-tundra-tailgate-failures-i-am-club/

5.7-liter Toyota Tundras Hit with Camshaft Failures:
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/toyota/tundra/camshaft/camshaft.html

JAPAN: Another Toyota recall: 470,000 cars
17 October 2007 | Source: just-auto.com editorial team

Article summary:
On the day the influential US organization Consumer Reports dropped some of its models sold there from its 'recommended' list, Toyota announced a recall of 470,000 vehicles in Japan to correct fuel system and steering problems.

http://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?id=92776

Toyota to recall 470,000 cars due to defective parts

"Toyota was last year instructed by Japan's transport ministry to improve its operations after local police alleged that the company knowingly failed to respond to a defect in a sports utility vehicle."

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM...ad_Wo3hUo1P_0Iw

Feds To Inspect Pickup Trucks After I-Team Investigation
Drivers Say Vehicle Has Unexplained Acceleration Problems
Reported by Jeremy Finley
POSTED: 4:14 pm CDT October 8, 2007
UPDATED: 10:31 pm CDT October 8, 2007

Excerpt : " It was just trying to go 120 mph. I was pressing on the brakes as hard as I could, and it was just going forward out of control," said Pratt.

There is also a similar case of this happening to a 2007 Tacoma driver in San Diego .

"The engine just revved up and took off, and I thought I was going to die. I was going to crash,†said Tacoma driver Paul Rohal.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/14295351/detail.html
http://www.wsmv.com/iteam/14304072/detail.html
http://www.kpho.com/video/14310861/index.html

Toyota to fix 600,000 Sienna minivans
10/24/07, 05:33pm, EDT

Toyota has announced that it will voluntarily fix a defect in 600,000 2004-2006 Sienna minivans. Since the majority of the Siennas effected have past their 3 year/36,000 mile warranty, Toyota is issuing a warranty enhancement to vehicles with up to 100,000 miles. Toyota is not calling the situation a recall.

The warranty enhancement service is being performed due to a bad spot weld on the Sienna's front doors that could possibly fail, causing the doors swing freely and unexpectedly shut. Toyota will also reimburse those owners who have already had the problem fixed. The Japanese automaker will inform Sienna owners of the problem through a letter to be sent out on November 2.

While Toyota isn't calling the situation a recall, it only adds to mounting quality concerns as the company attempts to become the world's largest automaker.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-to-fix-600000-sienna-minivans.html

Toyota fixing 600,000 Sienna doors, but it's not a recall mind you: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/24/toyota-fixing-600-000-sienna-doors-but-its-not-a-recall-mind-y/

Don't Call it a Recall: Toyota to Fix 600,000 Siennas: http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2007/10/dont-call-it-a-.html

Toyota is on a roll!
 

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Toyota chases Tundra camshaft failures

Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
May 28, 2007 - 1:00 am LOS ANGELES -- A batch of camshaft failures in 5.7-liter V-8 engines has dinged the launch of the Toyota Tundra pickup.

Camshafts in 20 engines have snapped, says Toyota spokesman Mike Michels. The outside camshaft supplier, which Toyota declined to identify, has traced the problem to "a metallurgical defect in the casting, a flaw in the metal which they have corrected," he says.

To date, Toyota has built 30,000 of the engines, and the company is determining how many might be affected. Michels says that it was "an early batch," and that "Toyota is confident in the production from that point on."

A camshaft is a spinning rod that opens the engine's intake and exhaust valves in sequence. Toyota's camshafts are designed to avoid collateral damage if they snap.

Toyota rushed the 5.7-liter engine into production in time for the Tundra's February launch. The 5.7-liter initially was scheduled to arrive this summer. But Toyota dealers and product planners told the manufacturing arm that the Tundra needed the big V-8 at launch because the 4.7-liter V-8 would not make a strong enough statement.

The 5.7-liter represents more than 70 percent of the engine mix.

Toyota's top executives repeatedly have stated their concern that Toyota is growing too quickly to keep quality at past high levels.

Toyota likely will not test each camshaft to see if it is prone to failure. Rather, customers whose camshafts fail will have their entire engines replaced.

One Toyota dealer service technician who declined to be identified says Toyota asked him to ship overnight a defective engine to its V-8 engine plant in Alabama.

"The guy was towing a small trailer, not under full load," the technician says. "Other folks have been towing 10,000 pounds with no problem."

You may e-mail Mark Rechtin at [email protected]
 

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... and the list goes on guys...

Toyota is NOT a better vehicle... its ALL marketing

they used to be great, but they are now realizing how hard quality control really is when you get so big, something to big three learned years ago.
 

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After seeing some of the Silver Creek test videos the only pickup I'd buy right now would be the F-150, I really think overall it's built by far the best and it has so much going for it in terms of work ability, plus imo it's a very good looking truck.
 

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OnyxCobra said:
After seeing some of the Silver Creek test videos the only pickup I'd buy right now would be the F-150, I really think overall it's built by far the best and it has so much going for it in terms of work ability, plus imo it's a very good looking truck.


Well I would agree, when it comes to a truck F150 all day long. Thats all we have used for our company trucks, we have a pair of 06's right now. Not a prob with them....and before that a pair of 00.......200k miles and not a issue.
 

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Accually i love my dads taco its an 04 with a full donahoe suspension with total chaos uppers and rear resivor shocks and soon to be super charged. :hitit: It has been a great truck and there has been no problems yet and we've put it through some tough times. running strong and doesn't skip a beat.







 
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THEY ARE CRAP!

Well, for all the people who thought that the new Tundra was the next coming of Jesus, I have some shitty news for you - the new Tundra blows. In fact, its such a piece of shit, that you'd have to be a complete tool to buy one. Then again its Japanese, and they can't build anything heavy duty to save their lives, so it should come as no surprise that the new Tundra is a joke. Especially with all those gay commercials trying to make it look like a badass truck. Its like a little japanese person saying he's going to beat up Hunk Hogan, not convincing unless you are a dumbass.

So what we end up with is an ugly, overpriced abomination of a truck that deverves a place in the hall of fame for worst vehicles ever made.

Check out the videos:

The Tundras awesome chassis, apparently derived from wet noodles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

The Tundra gives itself a new paint job when you hit bumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

Its completely useless "anti slip" rear differential (garbage):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8PpZF77tgk

And last but not least, the bolt sizes of a F-Series vs the new Tundra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-jW-jkFX5U
 

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Wow the toyota frame just twists like crazy. i would not but one of those overpriced pos. the sad thing is that truck is made out of recycled steel they bought from us
 

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realitygt said:
rofl qtrhrse, you fell strongly about toyotas?

yea... as you can see i dont like 'em

I like American cars...

i know sometimes america slacks on cars... but we make damn good trucks.

Im tired of everybody on the damn Toyota bandwagon... its all marketing.

IMO everything Toyota makes is an appliance on wheels, nothing they make has any passion.
 

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