What I offer.

[Jrgunn5150]

I thought you had that taken care of Javi? If you dont in about a month, I'll hook you up. Middle of June, you cover part's and shipping, I'll tear into and write an article for the site, and my Facebook page.

 

[rick focks]

If you don't mind chevy parts we can get a t56 in there for less than cjs prices

interesting... i've driven two camaro t56, MUST have a skip shift, not being able to go straight from 6th to 4th is retarded

 

[Javi]

I thought you had that taken care of Javi? If you dont in about a month, I'll hook you up. Middle of June, you cover part's and shipping, I'll tear into and write an article for the site, and my Facebook page.

ill probably take your word as my computer crap on me and seems like id be spending the money on a new computer.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Cool man, like I said, I still ain't set up yet, but I should be good by July, I got all my little ducks in a row now. I'd be happy to do it for you brother.

 

[Lee12609]

i think you should start building us some 4r70w converters for cheap and drive the prices down in the market. doesnt make any sense to me why they cost close to a grand.

in all seriousness WHY DO THEY COST SO MUCH???

 

[95PGTTech]

supply and demand Lee.
there are not a ton of people out there looking for 4R70W converters.
most big power guys are going C4, Turbo400, Glide, 4R100, etc. or factory-equipped with the 5R55S

 

[Lee12609]

supply and demand Lee.
there are not a ton of people out there looking for 4R70W converters.
most big power guys are going C4, Turbo400, Glide, 4R100, etc. or factory-equipped with the 5R55S

bull, there are a TON of people that want a stall for their 96-03 mustang, not including all the marauders/crowns/TC's that use the same trans. its just not many people can see spending near $1000 for a converter.

i do agree about the big power guys (track only cars) are going to other setups, but there are plenty of 10 and 11 second cars running 4r70s still.

i know it cost a good bit more to make a lockup converter, but i'd like to hear from someone in the industry why the converters cost so much compared to others.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

It's parts, there are only a few places to get part's for AODE/4r70 converters, I get mine from Suncoast. They'll sell you the part's, but they don't tell you the K factors or anything, so you're on your own there. So basically there's a monopoly and I have to pay to get in since I'm so small lol.

It cost's me 585 to build a single lockup, I charge 650. That's pretty fair I think. Tripple discs are even more expensive since they require some purpose built, specially machineed components

And most big power 5r55s guy's ( I mean over 600 rwhp) will either go C4 or 4r70w to retain overdrive. But the other ones are certainly options, I recomend 4l80es for big power guy's often.

 

[Lee12609]

junior, i've heard multiple reasons but i'd like to know your view on something:

when is a multi-disc required? some people say ONLY when you are locking in 4th doing WOT, others say anytime you are locking from second on and WOT. i'd hate to buy a single and need a multi-disc..

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Alot of drag racer's experiment with lock up at various rpms in various gears. Anytimy rwtq gewt's over about 550 I like to use a multiple clutch.

 

[95PGTTech]

supply and demand Lee.
there are not a ton of people out there looking for 4R70W converters.
most big power guys are going C4, Turbo400, Glide, 4R100, etc. or factory-equipped with the 5R55S

bull, there are a TON of people that want a stall for their 96-03 mustang, not including all the marauders/crowns/TC's that use the same trans. its just not many people can see spending near $1000 for a converter.

i do agree about the big power guys (track only cars) are going to other setups, but there are plenty of 10 and 11 second cars running 4r70s still.

i know it cost a good bit more to make a lockup converter, but i'd like to hear from someone in the industry why the converters cost so much compared to others.

You say there are "a lot" when there really are not. There is a strong difference between people who say they are interested in one or need one and people who have the cash and intentions of purchasing one. For every 100 "interested", you may get one sale. Companies are smart, and ruthless - if there was any money to be made on 4R70W stuff, there would be a ton of companies doing it. Look at SBC and SBF engine parts.

 

[Lee12609]

supply and demand Lee.
there are not a ton of people out there looking for 4R70W converters.
most big power guys are going C4, Turbo400, Glide, 4R100, etc. or factory-equipped with the 5R55S

bull, there are a TON of people that want a stall for their 96-03 mustang, not including all the marauders/crowns/TC's that use the same trans. its just not many people can see spending near $1000 for a converter.

i do agree about the big power guys (track only cars) are going to other setups, but there are plenty of 10 and 11 second cars running 4r70s still.

i know it cost a good bit more to make a lockup converter, but i'd like to hear from someone in the industry why the converters cost so much compared to others.

You say there are "a lot" when there really are not. There is a strong difference between people who say they are interested in one or need one and people who have the cash and intentions of purchasing one. For every 100 "interested", you may get one sale. Companies are smart, and ruthless - if there was any money to be made on 4R70W stuff, there would be a ton of companies doing it. Look at SBC and SBF engine parts.

except the fact that SBF and SBC stuff has been around for 100yrs driving prices down as well as demand up. regardless, if lets say a DESCENT converter for our car was $300 i personally know 15-20 people that would be stalled, but being that the CHEAPEST descent converter i have seen for a 4r70w is over $750 (besides JR's) only a select few. hell i would have no problem spending $500-600 on a converter and not feel bad, but spending $750+ on a good converter would make me feel guilty as hell (thats alot of little girl clothes/toys, vacation for our family, hair/nails for the wife, etc)....

JR answered the question though, there is a monopoly which means nobody can do anything about the price unless someone finds someone else making the parts CHEAP....

 

[Jrgunn5150]

supply and demand Lee.
there are not a ton of people out there looking for 4R70W converters.
most big power guys are going C4, Turbo400, Glide, 4R100, etc. or factory-equipped with the 5R55S

bull, there are a TON of people that want a stall for their 96-03 mustang, not including all the marauders/crowns/TC's that use the same trans. its just not many people can see spending near $1000 for a converter.

i do agree about the big power guys (track only cars) are going to other setups, but there are plenty of 10 and 11 second cars running 4r70s still.

i know it cost a good bit more to make a lockup converter, but i'd like to hear from someone in the industry why the converters cost so much compared to others.

You say there are "a lot" when there really are not. There is a strong difference between people who say they are interested in one or need one and people who have the cash and intentions of purchasing one. For every 100 "interested", you may get one sale. Companies are smart, and ruthless - if there was any money to be made on 4R70W stuff, there would be a ton of companies doing it. Look at SBC and SBF engine parts.

We're a little off topic now, but I'll still address it since it does indirectly affect me here anyway. You figures are actually about correct, but that holds true for any speed part. For ever 1000 people, maybe 100 "like" car's. Out of those 100, about 30 are actually interested in modifying their vehicle at all. Out of those thirty, maybe 10 are hardcore enough (in my opinion) to consider heads, cams, transmissions, etc, things harder to put on than halos or K&N FIPK's. OUt of those ten, about 4 will do it eventually, when something fails and if they have the budget. And 1 will be truly hardcore and throw every dime they have at it to acheive whatever goal they've set for themselves. That math holds true regardless of make/model. Most car's, Camaro, Mustang, Civic, w/e are stock, and most of the modified ones, never make it past the bolt on stage.

Now then, why are modular part's and Mustang trans part's so expensive? I think it's because of the perception that they SHOULD be expensive, and that no one wants them. It keeps people out, and when they get in, they charge more. I know I like to hook everyone up, and give a good fair price, and do good honest work. I want your car to be fast just like you, I get into other peoples car's lol. I'm as excited about Jeff (Dalamar)s car as he is, and I've never even met him. Same with Chris, Javi, or Rick, but, I do need to make money somewhere lol, so when thing's are expensive, I have to pass it along.

But no, I don't expect to make a living out of 4r70 converters and transmissions, and I dont really care enough about anything outside of 700r4's and their variants to branch out elsewhere and advertise and be on a million forums all day. So I stick to what I know and love, and make a little extra pocket money, keep my skills sharp, and hook some fellow stangers out along the way.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

There's gotta be at least ten million modular engines running around out there, so it is odd that there aren't more parts, perception is the only answer I can come up with.

 

[96_SVT_Cobra]

well how much would it be for a built auto for say 800-900 rwhp. oh i dont have a core either, its either going to be turboed if i sell the supercharger kit, or ysi powered

 

[95PGTTech]

supply and demand Lee.
there are not a ton of people out there looking for 4R70W converters.
most big power guys are going C4, Turbo400, Glide, 4R100, etc. or factory-equipped with the 5R55S

bull, there are a TON of people that want a stall for their 96-03 mustang, not including all the marauders/crowns/TC's that use the same trans. its just not many people can see spending near $1000 for a converter.

i do agree about the big power guys (track only cars) are going to other setups, but there are plenty of 10 and 11 second cars running 4r70s still.

i know it cost a good bit more to make a lockup converter, but i'd like to hear from someone in the industry why the converters cost so much compared to others.

You say there are "a lot" when there really are not. There is a strong difference between people who say they are interested in one or need one and people who have the cash and intentions of purchasing one. For every 100 "interested", you may get one sale. Companies are smart, and ruthless - if there was any money to be made on 4R70W stuff, there would be a ton of companies doing it. Look at SBC and SBF engine parts.

except the fact that SBF and SBC stuff has been around for 100yrs driving prices down as well as demand up. regardless, if lets say a DESCENT converter for our car was $300 i personally know 15-20 people that would be stalled, but being that the CHEAPEST descent converter i have seen for a 4r70w is over $750 (besides JR's) only a select few. hell i would have no problem spending $500-600 on a converter and not feel bad, but spending $750+ on a good converter would make me feel guilty as hell (thats alot of little girl clothes/toys, vacation for our family, hair/nails for the wife, etc)....

JR answered the question though, there is a monopoly which means nobody can do anything about the price unless someone finds someone else making the parts CHEAP....

If you could find 4980-4985 people to join your 15-20 that you THINK MIGHT purchase a converter, you'd have enough to get a big name company to invest in the research and development of said converter at said price. That's if all of those people wanted the same stall, setup, disk count as each other. Economies of scale.

JR - you just answered your own question. If you think there are ten million modulars (most not in Mustangs), how many 302s do you think there are? Modulars are more moving parts, more specialty tools, harder to work on. Putting a cam in your 5.0 isn't a terribly bad DIY job, but that's easy to mess up on a Mod.

 

[Lee12609]

are you serious??? a 2v mod cam swap can be done in 4-5hrs TOPS for a novice.

putting a cam in a pushrod, half a day or more atleast, pull radiator/condensor, waterpump, upper/lower, crank pulley, timing cover, valve covers, rockers, pushrods, lifters, THEN yank the cam. i agree, easier to mess up a cam swap in a modular, but its nowhere near as difficult.

 

[95PGTTech]

You're delusional. I don't know how to respond to that post. I do this stuff professionally and I wouldn't quote 4-5 hours for myself to install and degree a set of even 2V cams with my air tools, lift, and Rotunda tools.

 

[Lee12609]

You're delusional. I don't know how to respond to that post. I do this stuff professionally and I wouldn't quote 4-5 hours for myself to install and degree a set of even 2V cams with my air tools, lift, and Rotunda tools.

i do aswell sir... nobody said anything about degreeing them. i've done a set of PI cams (not degreed and without pulling the front cover method) and a PI intake manifold swap (PI intake OFF, pro products typhoon on) in less than 6hrs. it takes me normally 2-3hrs to do the intake alone.

 

[95PGTTech]

Degreeing is standard operating procedure for installing Mod cams. I'm sure doing a job half assed takes less time. I picked up 29rwhp between degreeing my stock 98 Cobra cams and switching from 93 octane pump to VP103 on a Mustang Dyno and it was 20 degrees warmer on the day of the better pull. Naturally aspirated, just bolt ons stock longblock with 110K miles.

We're pretty far off topic. JR is getting some good bumps though.