what would be involved in a modular swap?

dutch · Nov 29, 2009

Since I realized my future is limited with the 5.0 because I can't get a proper tune and therefor no bigger injectors etc, I've been thinking about selling the car. After this, my T5 started to act up and I've put the car up for sale, but it would be a miracle if I could sell it for a normal price right now.
So as long as the car is up for sale, I'm saving money. I want an OBD2 car, don't care if it's a 4v sn95 or a new edge GT, I don't have that much choice here so it's a matter of what comes along first.

Anywhoo, since the car might not sell for a long time, and I'm saving money anyway- I started thinking about dropping a PI 2v or 4v in (with T45 or rebuild my T5). This would finally give me the option to put a kenne bell on with their chip and bigger injectors.

I realise it's not as easy as it sounds, but could you guys point out what else is needed for a swap like this?

Things I could think of:

- PI 2v or 4v with harness and computer
- tubular k-member
- matching gaugepod
- T45? or is there an easy way to bolt the T5 up to a mod motor?
- returnless fuelsystem?
- hydroboost?

I want to keep the swap as simple as possible, not looking to tear up my dash completely etc.

NXcoupe · Nov 30, 2009

Go to quicktime's website, they sell a really cool bellhousing that adapts a tremec TKO or T5 to the back of a modular. It is a lot of work to get it swapped, you would also need an OBDII dash harness with the DLC under the dash by the steering column. I hope you have a garge you can use for a long time. lol.

atlanticblue98 · Nov 30, 2009

NXcoupe said:
Go to quicktime's website, they sell a really cool bellhousing that adapts a tremec TKO or T5 to the back of a modular. It is a lot of work to get it swapped, you would also need an OBDII dash harness with the DLC under the dash by the steering column. I hope you have a garge you can use for a long time. lol.

he would already have the OBD2 port under the dash because 94-95 V6 cars were OBD2 even though it wasnt federally mandated until 96. The ports are pretty much useless on GT's since they are obviously OBD1 cars

NXcoupe · Nov 30, 2009

Yes, the V6's did, and the GT's didn't for some reason. As far as I recall. And he has a GT right?

dutch · Nov 30, 2009

I have a GT, and it has an OBD2 port, but it's an OBD1 car. I feared there would be a lot of wire swapping under the dash...

atlanticblue98 · Nov 30, 2009

NXcoupe said:
Yes, the V6's did, and the GT's didn't for some reason. As far as I recall. And he has a GT right?

the OBD2 port is still present on GT cars, it just doesnt do anything

Paul · Dec 1, 2009

Rather than going to all the trouble to swap in a 4.6 motor, just get a standalone like an AEM and learn to tune it yourself. Then your possibilities are endless.

NXcoupe · Dec 1, 2009

Wow! learn something new everyday. Huh. I swore my 95 did not have one in it, but I wasn't looking for it either, lol. So do you know if you can just plug and play an OBDII harness and computer and go?
Paul, those are wise words, he could also get an SCT pro racer package and burn his own chip. They are about 500 bucks or so, plus the burner. Not too bad really. The pro racer package for the obdII cars is a lot easier because you don't need a burner just a programmer.

Jetsetter · Dec 3, 2009

Doesn't the Rover 95 or something have a 4.6 in it? Might be easier to source for it over there...

dutch · Dec 5, 2009

Rover 75, yes. But getting an engine is not the biggest problem.

But the way it looks now is I'm still trying to sell this car and get a new edge GT.

SRT Handz · Dec 6, 2009

I diont understand why you cant get a build pushrod motor.....

98GTnSC · Dec 6, 2009

< +1 im wanting a pushrod so bad! theyre EVERYWHERE! just dont kno how much truble it wud b to get a 5.0 in my 98GT

dutch · Dec 6, 2009

Because I can't get a proper tune, and am therefor restricted to using the 19lbs injectors.
Learning to use QH or PMS is not worth the effort and money for me.

I'd rather sell it, buy a new edge and a kenne bell which comes with injectors and chip and be done with it.

NERD · Dec 6, 2009

I sounds like buying a New Edge SN will be your best option. G/L with the search. By the way your car looks, you should be able to get a good price. Remember, 3 things sell cars, Paint, Stereos & and Detailing.

Steven · Dec 6, 2009

dutch said:
Because I can't get a proper tune, and am therefor restricted to using the 19lbs injectors.
Learning to use QH or PMS is not worth the effort and money for me.

I'd rather sell it, buy a new edge and a kenne bell which comes with injectors and chip and be done with it.

Uh.. you change the MAF out for a C&L one and it will calibrate itself. Where have you been? Injectors don't mean shit in the world of pushrods. 24# in a stock motor won't do anything for power. They can only limit you, not improve your power. A simple TFS kit, C&L maf for 24's, 24# injectors, and a rebuilt T5 would do a world of good for you.

dutch · Dec 6, 2009

Steven said:
dutch said:

Because I can't get a proper tune, and am therefor restricted to using the 19lbs injectors.
Learning to use QH or PMS is not worth the effort and money for me.

I'd rather sell it, buy a new edge and a kenne bell which comes with injectors and chip and be done with it.

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Uh.. you change the MAF out for a C&L one and it will calibrate itself. Where have you been? Injectors don't mean stinky pile in the world of pushrods. 24# in a stock motor won't do anything for power. They can only limit you, not improve your power. A simple TFS kit, C&L maf for 24's, 24# injectors, and a rebuilt T5 would do a world of good for you.

exactly, they limit you. I can't exceed 300hp with the 19's. What if I wanted heads/intake and a blower? Don't tell me my car will run just fine with a 'calibrated' MAF and bigger injectors. I've read enough threads from people trowing a calibrated MAF on their HCI cars and it runs like stinky pile, after which everyone tells him to get a tune.

I wasn't planning on putting bigger injectors on my stock motor, but I want to be able to slap some heads and a blower on. Thank god I didn't rush out and buy $2000 worth of shit only to realise I'm limited to 300hp.

Calibrated MAFs trick the computer, and don't do a very good job at it either.

Steven · Dec 6, 2009

I've run them before. No problems here. Don't believe everything you read on the interwebz. You can choose to believe me, or call me stupid, but I've run them, and use them so it doesn't bother me. If you wanted to get more power, a S-trim kit would include an FMU. Obviously it's not ideal to run only an FMU, but it works. Your cars nice, and I don't think having a coronary over availability of parts should make you want to sell the car. Trust me, I change a good bit about my car, but I know it's a good car. My T5 grinds like crap sometimes, the rear main leaks everywhere I go, and It runs like crap in the cold. But it can all be fixed. You'll sell this one, to buy something else that will only need the same thing. Just my 2 cents

dutch · Dec 6, 2009

Yeah the superchargers do come with an FMU, which I've asked about on different message boards. And the general consensus is that the FMU is fine on a stock engine. stock engine + blower = 300hp, so there's the limit again.

either way I go, N/a or F/i, at 300hp there comes a time to upgrade the fuel system. MAF + injectors on a N/a car could work in some cases, if it doesn't in my case.. I'm doomed.
MAF + injectors + FMU and no tune is asking for problems imo..

Supercharger kits for OBD2 cars contain a set of bigger injectors and a well programmed chip from the manufacturer. Kenne Bell on a stock 5.0 with FMU is maybe 285 horses? (granted, a shitload of torgue)

Kenne bell (non ic) on a stock PI 2v is around 370 hp and no FMU.