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E cam is 50state legal and MIGHT run ok without a tune. But it will make emissions worse by a small margain. Also, like you said the cam will make most of its power with a proper tune. Seeing as I can't get a tune if my life depended on it, I don't like to take the risk of being one of those guys whos car turns out NOT to like it's new cam...

those are my main reasons, and from what've read the HO cam is actually a pretty good cam.
 

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Understandable, but the E cam is such a small cam and it will help the rest of your setup breathe so much better... it's just a thought. I've seen it in at least 5 cars around here with not a single issue. But I understand what you are saying... the HO is a decent cam for a street car, yes.
 

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Cams don't make that big of a difference.

Maybe 2/10 gain in the 1/4..

The stock cam with 1.7 rockers will go along way.
 
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I know and either the E or steeda #19 is tempting.. but if my computer decides it doesn't like the cam (its possible) I'm fucked and gonna have to take it out again.
 

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LAFENATU said:
Cams don't make that big of a difference.

Maybe 2/10 gain in the 1/4..

The stock cam with 1.7 rockers will go along way.

I picked up almost half a second with just a cam swap and replacing all the gaskets.
 

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The 19s should be fine depending on how much power the thing makes - you can always switch to 24s if need be. I think a set of Edelbrock 6037s would be a good choice on that motor.
 

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I dunno how emissions standards are where your from but I passed with flying colors with my trickflow cam
 
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they are pretty strict, but I'm staying with the HO cam regardless. Tuning, emissions and drivability are all issues with a cam.
 

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I'm just saying mine was my emissions were real real low with that cam.
 

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I love my non emission state. 210cc race heads and all non 50 state legal parts can fly here. You going to wake the car up but I wouldn't expect a hundred horsepower difference here. There's really no point to me to put together a motor with a stock cam. It's like building a race car with a stock gear.
 
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courtesy to a very good tune I presume x182?
 

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dutch said:
courtesy to a very good tune I presume x182?
dutch said:
courtesy to a very good tune I presume x182?

ya my AFR is pretty good. I have an SCT tune. I can show you my test results but I'm at work right now.
 

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Paul said:
If they don't sell 58 cc anymore (which I seriously doubt) then why would they show it that way on their website? :dontknow:


Also, what "oval port" intake are you talking about? I've had AFRs and they didn't have an oval port - and matched up quite well with my intake.

This doesn't look oval shaped to me.

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Well compared to a TFS or edelbrock, they are more oval. Also, the 1262 gasket doesn't fit the edges very well. Hey, I'm not doggin your heads, I just don't like what you get for the price from AFR when another head will do the exact same thing just as well. If there was even a 10 hp difference, I could see it. But there's not. I am sorry, I am still waiting to hear back from home as to what cc's are available. I will post up whether I was right or wrong as soon as I know. I know I was right as of 2 months ago. I received a new price list and looked up a part number that didn't exist in the price listing anymore, and called them about it.
I run 9's with a stock cam. Don't see a problem with leaving it in there. Guys used to run mid 11's with a stock cam in NMRA factory stock too. Stock cams actually work quite well with a set of 1.7's. You will gain power with a larger camshaft that is matched to your head's flow characteristics. I don't think it's worth all the hassle you will have if it stalls or has tuning issues tho. A stocker will not have that most likely.
 

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NXcoupe said:
Well compared to a TFS or edelbrock, they are more oval.

Ummm - LOOK AT THE PICTURE. They're not oval... AT ALL.

Also, the 1262 gasket doesn't fit the edges very well.

I've had them, they fit fine.

Hey, I'm not doggin your heads,

I have Brodix and TFS heads on my motors, not AFR. I'm just disposing of misinformation here.

I will post up whether I was right or wrong as soon as I know. I know I was right as of 2 months ago.

I doubt it. There is no reason that a major cylinder head manufacturer would just decide to stop selling heads with an appropriate combustion chamber cc, then magically start again.

I'm actually beginning to doubt a lot of what you say. Like this for example:

I run 9's with a stock cam.

Full pics, vids, and engine combination. Followed by the class you run in, and your name. Otherwise, I call BS.

Paul.
 

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Paul said:
NXcoupe said:
Well compared to a TFS or edelbrock, they are more oval.

Ummm - LOOK AT THE PICTURE. They're not oval... AT ALL.
Umm, it's a picture. I have had the heads in my hands, and what I think and you think is different, no problem.

Also, the 1262 gasket doesn't fit the edges very well.

I've had them, they fit fine. I didn't think they fit as well as the do on edelbrocks and TFS. Again, you look at it differently than I do.

Hey, I'm not doggin your heads,

I have Brodix and TFS heads on my motors, not AFR. I'm just disposing of misinformation here. Ok, fine, I am not trying to put out disinformation, so just calm down.

I will post up whether I was right or wrong as soon as I know. I know I was right as of 2 months ago.

I doubt it. There is no reason that a major cylinder head manufacturer would just decide to stop selling heads with an appropriate combustion chamber cc, then magically start again. Uhm, it's called a mistake. I just got a call from my shop, they said that they do indeed sell the 58's now. I am telling you, and I don't really care if you believe me or not, as I have no reason to make it up, that they told me on the phone I couldn't order a set of sbf heads for a customer in 58cc only in 71cc. I lost my mind, not to dissimilarly than you are here. I am glad they have fixed the problem. I will start offering them again to customers. I was really pissed that they did that to us after the huge buy in we had to do with them to sell their heads, then they do this to us.

I'm actually beginning to doubt a lot of what you say. Like this for example:

I run 9's with a stock cam.

Full pics, vids, and engine combination. Followed by the class you run in, and your name. Otherwise, I call BS.
Ok, video is hard to do, but it's been on the nmra highlights video. I have lots of pictures I could post just like the one in my avatar, but I posted a thread asking how the best way to post pictures is on this forum. Last time I checked there was no response. But to ease your conciense, the car is a 92 coupe, 308, boss block, TFS heads, TFS street heat intake, 70mm throttle body, stock cam, I beam ultralightweight rods, single nozzle nitrous kit, dry, with 60lb injectors, I ran in Real Street up till last year, when I left for Afghanistan, where I am currently. I had to leave my shop and all my toys behind, so I let Matt Johnson race the car for me and I send my shop foreman to crew for him. It's gone a 9.9 several times this year. We haven't gotten a clean pass in it yet this year, as traction issues have popped up and with me being all the way over here and not driving the car, it is very hard to diagnose what's going on. The picture in my avatar is me driving it last year at the BG event in KY the finals. I had the opposite problem, too much traction and had to let out of most of the passes.
The class is NMRA real street, car number 8084 last year, I think, and the year before that I took off, but would have been r/s 8, because I was 8th in the points. in 08 I finished 8th as well, read the rules, they are online, stock cam for us 5.0's the other guys can all run special grinds. we can run a replacement but it's not worth it. The stockers are cheaper and run just as good as the AFM"s and other out there.

I will start posting up old vids from several years ago, and other pics. I don't know why I care, but I do. I just don't know where the hostility comes from? You can call bs all you want, but it doesn't change anything. I told you I would find out one way or another and I did. It took an extra day because we had to leave messages with AFR and finally after nagging my poor woman to death she got through for me today. I guess the guy we used to have handle our account isn't there any longer. They seem really understaffed now. We never had this problem in the past getting through to them.

Michael
 

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Ok, so this is the first pass down at BG in 08. Didn't know what to expect, had the car on the dyno and it made more power than it ever had before. Thought we would set the shocks at 7 where it used to go up a little, about 2 feet and then carry them out about 50 feet and set them down. It went straight up and pulled all four wheels off the ground. and started going towards the wall, so I had to let out which as you can see wasn't a soft landing, but the car wasn't destroyed either.
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