04 mach 1 swap

[KWClutch]

If you can swap a 4v motor into a 2v car in a weekend I'd love to see that.

 

[19mustang95]

If you can swap a 4v motor into a 2v car in a weekend I'd love to see that.

It can be done in one day, it's not hard to do at all. you take out one motor, put the tranny on the other and put it in the car. then you simply reattach the midpipe and the driveshaft, clutch cable, put in fluids, put on the harness and extend a couple wires. BAM, simple as that. It took me less than three hours to drop my motor in, install the driveshaft, and wiring harness BY MYSELF.

I don't understand why people think it is something so hard to do. You can even run a 4V on a 2V tune, granted it won't run the best, but you can drive around on it just fine. I've driven a vortech supercharged V6 with a lightning MAF and 39LB. injectors on the stock tune before. :laughing5:

 

[Javi]

If you can swap a 4v motor into a 2v car in a weekend I'd love to see that.

Its been done several times. Not rocket science
I believe your opinion might be based on your swap, which is a lot more complicated.

It can be done in one day, it's not hard to do at all. you take out one motor, put the tranny on the other and put it in the car. then you simply reattach the midpipe and the driveshaft, clutch cable, put in fluids, put on the harness and extend a couple wires. BAM, simple as that. It took me less than three hours to drop my motor in, install the driveshaft, and wiring harness BY MYSELF.

I don't understand why people think it is something so hard to do. You can even run a 4V on a 2V tune, granted it won't run the best, but you can drive around on it just fine.

Because they never done it before??

 

[MustangChris]

If you can swap a 4v motor into a 2v car in a weekend I'd love to see that.

+1

dropping a Termy motor is a whole different thing from a NON termy 32v engine..



Have you done this swap before? Evidently Not, the swap is pretty much straight forward
Its been succesfully done 1000+ times..several member's on here have done it.
Please stop spreading misinfomation

Op listen to DFG_pimp, his car has the 32v in it
he knows his sh!t..

So how am I spreading mis-information? :dontknow: Everything I said is true!!! can he do this swap spending under $1000 and if so what is his time or his mechanics time worth?!? I know there are difference's between 5.0's which is what I owned and 4.6's which is what he owns! I never stated the swap would be easy or hard! I just stated that I sold my GT for $4950 which is a fact and spent an additional $1050 on a 4v 96 Cobra that came stock with a similar motor which he is looking to swap into his car! Yet another fact! Now, it's one thing if he owned and crashed a mach1 he already owned! and has the parts readilly available for the swap... What I meant was why bother with the swap when he can sell his car and get a 4v COBRA w/o having to get dirty!!! or do a failry easy swap according to you that can be done in a weekend!!! $6000 good running COBRA's are out there!!! ( LOOK AT MY SIGNATURE) had 92k when I bought her.... Hey, If he could do the swap for under $1000 more power to him! I was giving my opinion which is why I explained that I wasn't trying to sound like a prick! Nuff said...

Nuff said?? you mentioned electrical issues. feel free to list the electrical issues he can run into.
The harnesses can be easily swapped,if you can't swap harnesses, than you need to find another hobby. This is not rocket science here fellas..

You did your 1050 swap? Is the op asking if he can accomplished this swap for under 1000? NO!!

You don't need no sticking mechanic to do this swap and yes this can be done in a weekend.

STOP spreading misinformation, you did your 1050 4v "swap" good, now let's not put your 2 cents on something You HAVE NEVER done before and think that needs a mechanic to be accomplished :tard:
And I'm not trying to be an a$$, I just don't like misinformation.

And chris, you have no room to talk, you have been doing the termy swap for the last wat? 1 year? Lol

almost a one-year anniversary.

(no sarcasm/hate/flaming in the rest of this post... just explaining what ive gone through, for reference purposes for the OP.)

BUT... in actuallity ive pretty much replaced the ENTIRE car...

rewired tail lights (export tail lights)

fuel tank (upgraded to 03/04 cobra tank, removed braces, cover, and swapped tanks)

body harness (pulled carpet, pulled seats, pulled rear internal trim)

dash harness (pulled defrost vent, gauge cluster, dash, sterio, shifter bezzle, center consol, evaporative controls)

replaced heater core and air conditioner evaporator while i had dash out, ended up buying the entire evaporator assembly unit (pulled old unit, transfered blower unit to new assembly)

re wiring gauges (not only had to save up $1200.00 for electric gauges, but now i have to run them.... pulled a-pillar)

pulled drive shaft

replaced rear lower control arms, rear upper control arms, diffy bushings, rear brake pads, rear brake rotors (had to pull sway bar, and re install)

pulled tranny and engine as a single unit (removed A/C components)

replaced front control arm bushings (had to remove struts, springs, swaybar end links, bump steer)

replaced front brake pads, rotors, struts.

rewired headlights (cleaned up HID wiring system)

replace radiator (build custom brakets)

fabricate front bumper support (pull front bumper and headlights)

replace left and right side computer harnesses (pull fenders, antenna)

drop in new motor/tranny/LTs from up above (no scissor lift to lower car onto)
this means:
remove remaining A/C parts (condensor is all thats left)
remove k-member to add clearance for my LTs
remove master cylinder for clearance

there is LITTERALLY nothing that i havent taken off my car... .. . .. yea, its taken me a year.

if you want to replace ALL the computer parts and do the swap with aftermarket parts, tahts what your going to have to do... . .. do you need new LRCAs? no, but with a pullied eaton pushing 500RWHP, OEM isnt the greatest of performers.

$6,000 for the engine
~$1000.00 for the rear suspension
~250.00 for front suspension
~$1200.00 for gauges
$500.00 for blower port
$800 for LTs
$200 for FMHE
$300.00 for powder coating
$400.00 for radiator
~$100 for oil pan
$50.00 for windage tray
~$100.00 for intake
forgot how much i spent on MAF
$400.00 for clutch
intercooler expansion tank
radiator expansion tank
supercharger pulley
crankshaft pulley
... . .. . it all adds up... you wonder why its taken so long? lol. how long does it take you to earn $20,000.00 + money to pay the rent every month. LOL!



as i said, this swap is pretty "moderate" ... if you leave everything OEM, it will fit right in with no problems. replace the computer and the under-hood computers and your good to go. (mind you, you have to figure all that crap out) but if youre like me... and since your going to do it (and take credit for doing it) you might as well do a good job, take your time, and spend some money. if youre going to make a hack-job of a mustang... please sell your car and buy a honda and find another hobby.

 

[Javi]

Chris, you are doing a Termy swap.
And please don't take this personal, but you took the wrong decision you should have bought a Donor car instead of buying each part separately. That's what adds up.

Look at David's car, he did the swap with a donor car and he ended up spending close to 12',iirc.

 

[Venomous96Cobra]

damn Javi! flowin a bit heavy this month! I am entitled to my opinion, I am not posting MIS-INFORMATION just my opinion, I dont think it's worth swapping a 4valve into a GT 5.0 or 4.6 okay I know you might be having a tough time with what I am saying! and you think it's completely impossible to have electrical issues when harnesses need to be extended, swapped out! I just dont think it's worth the possible aggrevation.... Calm down dude! lay off the roids!!!!

Okay Javi yo creo que es mucho mas facil y economico comprando un Cobra de cuatro valvulas en vez de poner un motor de cuatro valvulas en un 4.6 de dos valvulas oh un 5.0 no es question de transferir la cableria, es el caso de que por $1000 mas no tuve que hacerlo!


okay gracias tenga un buen dia caballero!

can't we all just get along ccasion14:

 

[lanthony155]

wow this thread blew up ha. i can understand that selling my car and buying a cobra would be a cheaper route but ive already modded my car to almost where i want it. It will also be pretty diffrent to swap a mach motor into my gt.

Thanks for all the info guys its helping alot.

 

[Javi]

I give up.

Realmente no tienes que ecribirlo en Espanol, soy Trilingue puedo entender muy bien lo que dices.

Pero dijiste que podia tener problemas al extender los cables. Solamente te estoy preguntando cuales pueden ser los problemas al exntender unos cuantos cables. Pero obviamente esta muy por arriba de tus atributos. No sabes de lo que hablas si nunca has estado involucrado en ello.

Have you done this swap? Haz hecho un cambio de motores como este?

 

[MustangChris]

no offence taken, javi; but the last thinbg i wanted was a $9,000.00 lawn ornament sitting in my driveway with no donor gas tank, no donor interior to resell, no front wheels to re sell, and an IRS that i wouldnt have used anyways....

cost for donor car: $9,300.00
things i would have used: engine, computers, tranny, driveshaft (probably would have replaced the driveshaft with an aluminum one anyways)

what did i buy?
engine and computers.

... what do i need a totalled steering rack, bad control arms, bad struts, two bad wheels and tires, interior that was left in the snow and covered in glass, an OEM IRS unit, smashed body pannels for????

i asked to buy the engine, computer, and tranny. they said if i bought all that, i would have to take the entire car for $9,300.00..... that tranny and shitty body and snow-soaked interior was not worth $3000.00 to me.

would the donor car have saved me money on my rear suspension? no. front suspension? no. aftermarket gauges? no. front mount heat exchanger? would have gone with aftermarket anyways. coolant tanks? came with the package i bought, resold them and bought aftermarket units. .. . . there was litterally no use for the donor car outside of getting code-enforcement called on my parents' house.

I assure you, i did this swap the "easiest" way i could have without having electronics-based-experience (didnt want to learn to splice harnesses together on a $6000.00 project)

my largest problems (and this is a common hot-rod problem) is making all the aftermarket parts fit properly, and finding time/money to work on the damn thing. . ..


no offence taken, i know i made the right choices in this project.

 

[Javi]

Chris, you amaze me sometimes.
The level of ****** that a few members have shown with their post in this thread is amazing!

 

[MustangChris]

javi... tell me exactly, other than the transmission, engine, and computer harnesses I would have used on my swap.... .. .

would a donor car make the OP's swap easier? maybe... i dont know which route he is going.
does he need a donor car? no... i speak from experience.
can a 4v swap be done in a weekend? yes... with 4 guys who have done it before working on it . . ... otherwise, i would put my money on no.

is the swap possible? yes.
is it difficult? "moderatly."
.. .. i dont really understand what all the fuss is about. people who have done the swap have chimed in. and people who HAVENT done the swap, have also chimed in... i guess its up to the OP to officially take all the information that has been babbled off and make his own choice.

my choice was made under the suggestion of my tuner shop, who told me to do the entire computer system as well.

anyways.... .. . . ..

 

[JiMi_DRiX]

Its not that hard to swap a motor and tranny in a car. Sure, on something newer like this you have computer stuff to change over, but if you do your homework first, even that shouldnt be hard. PREPARATION is where you will either succeed or fail.

 

[19mustang95]

as i said, this swap is pretty "moderate" ... if you leave everything OEM, it will fit right in with no problems. replace the computer and the under-hood computers and your good to go. (mind you, you have to figure all that crap out) but if youre like me... and since your going to do it (and take credit for doing it) you might as well do a good job, take your time, and spend some money. if youre going to make a hack-job of a mustang... please sell your car and buy a honda and find another hobby.

Why spend money if you don't have to? And what is so special about a Mustang? A mustang is the domestic, RWD version of a Honda. They are cheap, plentiful, and you can cross parts inbetween lots of years and they still work.

And as far as your "and since your going to do it (and take credit for doing it) you might as well do a good job," goes, I can cut apart a factory harness, lengthen the wires i need, wire it for COPs, and make it look FACTORY. The wire loom and electrical tape they use isn't any better than the stuff i can get at my local ACE Hardware store.

A lot of people act like 2Vs and 4Vs are so different. NEWS FLASH, they really aren't.

And many people act like working on a car is so difficult. The only thing anyone has ever taught me is Left Loosey, Right tighty. The rest i have learned from doing it. I wish the car i'm working on now was a GT and not a Cobra, so i could do a time lapse and show you how long it really takes. No disrespect to anyone, everyone takes a different route and does things differently. I wish i had real money to put into a car instead of struggling to buy things here and there, but no matter what whether your budget is small or large you can get things like this done. There are countless people that go out and buy MarkVIII motors for $300-1000 and put them into a mustang and make a "quick" car.


And as far as selling one car to buy another, is that easy? yes. Is the motor in a 96-98 cobra comparable to 03-04 Mach 1 motor? HELL NO. The 03-04 Mach motor are absolute beasts in my opinion. They easily with bolt-ons make over 320/330, and the Mach 1's themselves are so much better for straight line racing; solid axles, 5-speed transmission with good gearing, aluminum block, etc.. And there is no guarantee that you are going to get a good car that doesn't have hidden problems when you buy it.

 

[Venomous96Cobra]

as i said, this swap is pretty "moderate" ... if you leave everything OEM, it will fit right in with no problems. replace the computer and the under-hood computers and your good to go. (mind you, you have to figure all that crap out) but if youre like me... and since your going to do it (and take credit for doing it) you might as well do a good job, take your time, and spend some money. if youre going to make a hack-job of a mustang... please sell your car and buy a honda and find another hobby.

Why spend money if you don't have to? And what is so special about a Mustang? A mustang is the domestic, RWD version of a Honda. They are cheap, plentiful, and you can cross parts inbetween lots of years and they still work.

And as far as your "and since your going to do it (and take credit for doing it) you might as well do a good job," goes, I can cut apart a factory harness, lengthen the wires i need, wire it for COPs, and make it look FACTORY. The wire loom and electrical tape they use isn't any better than the stuff i can get at my local ACE Hardware store.

A lot of people act like 2Vs and 4Vs are so different. NEWS FLASH, they really aren't.

And many people act like working on a car is so difficult. The only thing anyone has ever taught me is Left Loosey, Right tighty. The rest i have learned from doing it. I wish the car i'm working on now was a GT and not a Cobra, so i could do a time lapse and show you how long it really takes. No disrespect to anyone, everyone takes a different route and does things differently. I wish i had real money to put into a car instead of struggling to buy things here and there, but no matter what whether your budget is small or large you can get things like this done. There are countless people that go out and buy MarkVIII motors for $300-1000 and put them into a mustang and make a "quick" car.


And as far as selling one car to buy another, is that easy? yes. Is the motor in a 96-98 cobra comparable to 03-04 Mach 1 motor? HELL NO. The 03-04 Mach motor are absolute beasts in my opinion. They easily with bolt-ons make over 320/330, and the Mach 1's themselves are so much better for straight line racing; solid axles, 5-speed transmission with good gearing, aluminum block, etc.. And there is no guarantee that you are going to get a good car that doesn't have hidden problems when you buy it.

okay looking at the last part of your reply! and the other side of the coin is that nothing says that when you do a swap vs. buying a car that already has what you wanted from the get go! you wont have hidden problems there as well! :wink: I know there are differences in the 4v mach 1 motor that make it a bit better than the 96-98 cobra 4v or for that case better than the 98-02 cobra engine! I have read up on the mach 1 engine it has better flowing head's, navigator cam's but even with all the goodies it has it only has 15 hp more than a 96-98 cobra engine!

for the sake of argument! I would love to install a new 5.0 modular crate engine in my car! 400+hp! I mean if were talking swaps that or a termi would be the one I would do! otherwise I would build whatever is already in my car! there are plenty of 2-3v stang's out there with supporting mods that could spank my cobra....

 

[Venomous96Cobra]

btw! I knew I could piss Javi off and get him to reply to me in spanish by kicking the spanglish in my reply myself...

:laughing4:


I love ya Javi....

 

[19mustang95]

okay looking at the last part of your reply! and the other side of the coin is that nothing says that when you do a swap vs. buying a car that already has what you wanted from the get go! you wont have hidden problems there as well! :wink: I know there are differences in the 4v mach 1 motor that make it a bit better than the 96-98 cobra 4v or for that case better than the 98-02 cobra engine! I have read up on the mach 1 engine it has better flowing head's, navigator cam's but even with all the goodies it has it only has 15 hp more than a 96-98 cobra engine!

for the sake of argument! I would love to install a new 5.0 modular crate engine in my car! 400+hp! I mean if were talking swaps that or a termi would be the one I would do! otherwise I would build whatever is already in my car! there are plenty of 2-3v stang's out there with supporting mods that could spank my cobra....

That's PEAK horsepower, That doesn't mean anything except for bragging rights. It's the power the car makes over the entire RPM band that matters. And that is why the C-head 4V are SO much better than B-head 4Vs. You think it's a little strange that ford needed to put block off plates(IMRC) on the intake ports so the car can actually feel like it's moving below 3200 RPM?

And the Mach 1, Terminators, Marauders, and Navigators all have the same heads and they SUCK. That is why so many Mach 1 guys swap to 96-98 Cams, or even 99-01 Cams, because they have almost 20 degrees more duration.

And yes, when doing swaps you can run into issues. But those are issues you did on your own so you don't have to go chasing your tail around trying to figure out the problem. That's why you never modify so many things on a car all at one time, because you can't pinpoint the issue. For example, My roommate put a new motor and wiring harness at the same time he did his twin turbo kit and he ran into misfiring issues. Spent MONTHS trying to track it down and spent countless hours and tons of money swapping out parts. Ended up being something as simple as the external IAC that came on the newer V6 motor he had and all he had to do was swap back to the old one that was on his old motor.

But anyway, like i said, There are many ways to do things to get to the same solution. Like my High School Physics teacher always told us, there are many roads that lead to Hooters, but you always end up at the same place.

 

[KWClutch]

Yeah and most will take you longer than a weekend to get there

 

[1996mustangGT]

And many people act like working on a car is so difficult. The only thing anyone has ever taught me is Left Loosey, Right tighty. The rest i have learned from doing it.

This is so true its not funny. I'm not saying it's easy, trust me I've had my fair share of reality checks when it came to working on cars...but its bolts, metal, and wires. And other small parts..lol... Some assembly required.

I started with a CAI. Went to swapping my Auto to a Manual. Then to swapping engines. Its a progression.

 

[Win]

If i spent the $$$ you guys spent on these modular motors on my pushrod motor, I would have one hell of a motor!

 

[1996mustangGT]

ok way to go off topic. I'm so sick of the pushrod vs. OHC debate.

Grow up, you have to pay to play either way. Both engines have their advantages/disadvantages.