351W Super Heat Problem! Any Help??

[tdg_95gt]

Hey to all! Its been a while since I've been on here. Been working on the car. I have a 95 GT and we pulled the pulled the 302 to make room for a 351W. The Windsor is a stock block motor with good internals, Out of the box Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads with 1.6s, Comp Cams flat tappet cam i think 500 lift or so, Trick Flow upper and lower, 75mm tb, 30lb injs, Pro M mas, u get the idea. Anyway heres the deal, the engine is producing an extremley large amount of heat for some reson. Idk if this is normal or what. We fired the car up yesterday for the first time to let it idle whlie we checked timing, fuel pressure, etc. Even with the temp guage showing 180 or so the enigine is really really hot like headers glowing red hot. And when u give it any throttle it acts like its trying to turn up to first kind of like when u have to much timing. The timing is at 10 with the pill out. Is this heat a problem or what. Like I said its been a while since I've been on here cuz Ive been tied up working on the car so idk if anyone else has had this problem. But any help would be great! Thanks

 

[CC'S95GT]

running lean will cause the headers to glow. and lean for long isn't a good thing.
do you have a a/f meter in the car?

 

[tdg_95gt]

nah i sure dont.. ive got a fuel pressure, temp, and oil. thats all thats in the car

 

[modo]

its not lean the timing isn't right... its had too much retard

 

[tdg_95gt]

How much timing do u think i should run with that combo??

 

[MustangMoser]

its not lean the timing isn't right... its had too much retard

how can you be sure its not lean? 10 should be close enough to run if you're putting the pill back in and your computer is advancing the timing. you really need to check your a/f ratios if your headers are glowing.

 

[modo]

its not lean the timing isn't right... its had too much retard

how can you be sure its not lean? 10 should be close enough to run if you're putting the pill back in and your computer is advancing the timing. you really need to check your a/f ratios if your headers are glowing.

his car is idling, if it was lean it wouldn't glow like that. his timing is way off and it is throwing raw fuel into the exhaust which is igniting causing the glowing headers.

his dampeners timing marks could be out to lunch, not uncommon

 

[rz5.0]

i tought too much fuel cools down exaust. thats why its better to run rich than lean lower cylinder temp. i thinks his running lean or timing is retarded or both.

 

[modo]

i tought too much fuel cools down exaust. thats why its better to run rich than lean lower cylinder temp. i thinks his running lean or timing is retarded or both.

running rich is running rich the motor is buring the fuel in the combustion chamber. if the timing is too retarded which is what i would bet money his is the fuel is not buring and is getting thrown into the exhaust which is where it is burning hence the glowing headers.

you guys think running rich is good. running rich will cause damage just as quick if not quicker then running lean. washing of cylinder walls and lifting of the ring land happens when its too fat (with power adders).

 

[rz5.0]

i was told it was better to be rich instead of lean not that its good

 

[MustangMoser]

rich OR lean can cause the headers to glow they are just as bad, but a LITTLE rich is better than a little lean.

 

[Addermk2]

running lean will cause the headers to glow. and lean for long isn't a good thing.
do you have a a/f meter in the car?

Jesus fucking christ people... no it doesnt. Running rich, having retarded cam or distributor timing will cause glowing headers.

Yes, a lean mixture is hotter, but the heat begins to disapate right inside the cylinder itself. Al overly RICH mixture however, continues to burn IN THE EXHAUST. Causing the header primaries to glow.

 

[CC'S95GT]

running lean will cause the headers to glow. and lean for long isn't a good thing.
do you have a a/f meter in the car?

Jesus germinating christ people... no it doesnt. Running rich, having retarded cam or distributor timing will cause glowing headers.

Yes, a lean mixture is hotter, but the heat begins to disapate right inside the cylinder itself. Al overly RICH mixture however, continues to burn IN THE EXHAUST. Causing the header primaries to glow.

That post was 4 days and 10 posts ago. It was never brought up or argued since.
But thanks for adding you .02 and acting like a prick

 

[ProKiller]

its your timing. what distributor do you have in there?

 

[Addermk2]

That post was 4 days and 10 posts ago. It was never brought up or argued since.
But thanks for adding you .02 and acting like a prick

Well on this forum i'm not too suprised to see that nobody ASIDE from modo is putting out correct information. If you want to fix the problem correctly, you need to research it, and ask the right questions. Not take the assumptions of people who think they might be right.

How do I know timing causes glowing headers? because it happened to me.
How do I know that a rich condition causes glowing headers.... read the above.

Oxygen sensors can often be thrown off from giving you a proper reading, based on the heat level that can be attained by excess fuel being burnt IN the exhaust.

but thats just my $0.02

 

[2002BLGT]

That calibrated MAF will make it run extremely lean at idle as well , you could have more than one thing going on though , get a wideband on it and get it tuned

 

[MustangMoser]

running lean will cause the headers to glow. and lean for long isn't a good thing.
do you have a a/f meter in the car?

Jesus germinating christ people... no it doesnt. Running rich, having retarded cam or distributor timing will cause glowing headers.

Yes, a lean mixture is hotter, but the heat begins to disapate right inside the cylinder itself. Al overly RICH mixture however, continues to burn IN THE EXHAUST. Causing the header primaries to glow.

lol, just because you've never seen headers glow from a lean condition doesnt mean its never happened, I've seen it.

 

[modo]

running lean will cause the headers to glow. and lean for long isn't a good thing.
do you have a a/f meter in the car?

Jesus germinating christ people... no it doesnt. Running rich, having retarded cam or distributor timing will cause glowing headers.

Yes, a lean mixture is hotter, but the heat begins to disapate right inside the cylinder itself. Al overly RICH mixture however, continues to burn IN THE EXHAUST. Causing the header primaries to glow.

lol, just because you've never seen headers glow from a lean condition doesnt mean its never happened, I've seen it.

his car is idling. you could have the air fuel at 20:1 and if it would run it still wouldn't glow the headers... his issue is timing

 

[MustangMoser]

i'm not saying his car is lean, i'm simply stateing that a lean condition can cause headers to glow. granted you're right about not at idle.

 

[rz5.0]

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?p=6216628#post6216628 there is what other people say. shaunt is an race engine builder, cam designer he knows this shit.