94 GT 351 vs 95 GT TURBO.....opinion on who will see tail lights?

[ryclef331]

I think alot will have to do with how you run the race. Personally, I hate this "from a roll" crap. Most of the imports where I'm at will sit and rev the hell out of their car behind you but won't even look at you when they're next to you at a light. If you're not pushin 50mph, they won't bother. Drag racing is and always has been from a dig. I'm not a big turbo fan at all, I like superchargers and the bottle, but more so N/A. I would tell him if you're going to run them, it's from a dig, have a good set of DR's and give it all the 2 of you have. If he wants to run from a roll, tell him to go run some turbo Hondas. Offer him lengths if he's going to have that much trouble keeping up with you. If he knows it's going to be THAT close (based on the hp #'s you're thinking) it won't hurt him to drag race like it's supposed to be done! If the output #'s are going to be that close, I would say its 50/50....the both of you have a good shot at winning. It's going to come down to traction and driver skill for one to overtake the other. Good luck!

You make me giggle...

 

[stang94X]

horsepower number means shit in my book, ive seen low power numbers run fast 1/4 mile times, its all on the motor and car setup, how is the power curve, what rpm his motor going to peak at, what are the torque numbers and what kind of power curve is it, what kind of tranny do you have, whats his, is he useing a stock built aode or 5speed from the car, if he has an automatic then what stall is it, a mild 2400 stall or more of a street strip 3000-3200 stall or even higher, is he going with an aftermarket 5 or 6 speed, is he going to a c4 or c6 and how is the tranny built, is it stock,just a shiftkit or is it built for racing, what rear end do yall have, does he have a stock rearend with gears or is it a aftermarket posi unit with gears and what gears do you both have, it all come into consideration with what tranny, rear end setup, and tire combo yall have, the gearing of the tranny and rearend gear with the right height tire can determin a whole lot, and suspension, you have stock spring, struts and shocks or aftermarket, are they lowering springs for cornering or are they a drag spring, are the stuts shocks stock or setup for handling or dragracing, what does the car weigh, is it a stock weight car or do yall have a bunch of shit ripped out of it, do ya have stuff that adds weight like subframe connectors, roll bars, aftermarket sway bars, and other types of bracing, or even stuff like having a system in the truck can weigh a bit, i mean my 94 gt automatic convertable now weighs 3160 pounds and me having that weight takes off a bit of time from the stock weight, the whole setup comes into play, not just horsepower numbers

 

[realitygt]

imo 351w is a great motor, better than the 302 , i think it will be pretty well even tho

 

[Stopsign32v]

horsepower number means shit in my book, ive seen low power numbers run fast 1/4 mile times, its all on the motor and car setup, how is the power curve, what rpm his motor going to peak at, what are the torque numbers and what kind of power curve is it, what kind of tranny do you have, whats his, is he useing a stock built aode or 5speed from the car, if he has an automatic then what stall is it, a mild 2400 stall or more of a street strip 3000-3200 stall or even higher, is he going with an aftermarket 5 or 6 speed, is he going to a c4 or c6 and how is the tranny built, is it stock,just a shiftkit or is it built for racing, what rear end do yall have, does he have a stock rearend with gears or is it a aftermarket posi unit with gears and what gears do you both have, it all come into consideration with what tranny, rear end setup, and tire combo yall have, the gearing of the tranny and rearend gear with the right height tire can determin a whole lot, and suspension, you have stock spring, struts and shocks or aftermarket, are they lowering springs for cornering or are they a drag spring, are the stuts shocks stock or setup for handling or dragracing, what does the car weigh, is it a stock weight car or do yall have a bunch of shit ripped out of it, do ya have stuff that adds weight like subframe connectors, roll bars, aftermarket sway bars, and other types of bracing, or even stuff like having a system in the truck can weigh a bit, i mean my 94 gt automatic convertable now weighs 3160 pounds and me having that weight takes off a bit of time from the stock weight, the whole setup comes into play, not just horsepower numbers

Wow you are looking way too much into this. Its not going to be a drag car vs a street car. His car will be a 5 speed and my car will be a 5 speed. Neither car will have problems with hooking because both will be on bigs and littles. Also cars will weigh the same probably.

 

[Paul]

Windsor strokers can make >400rwhp, but the total number of n/a streetcar mustangs that I've seen crest the magical 400 mark is 2. Ever. One was a particularly healthy 347, and the other a 408.

Oh, and carbed vs FI makes no difference, either can make good power.

I've also seen 408s that "should" make that much power on paper, and not deliver the goods on the dyno.

You two should race - it will be fun. Get video.

Paul.

*edit* - oh, and as mentioned previously, you need really good cylinder heads to make power on a windsor stroker. I have Brodix M2 Track 1 CNC heads on mine, and when I build my 445, I'll get some larger ones - probably the new World heads with the extra bolt holes for their new block. If you put 302 heads on a 351, you make 302 power.

 

[5litrarag]

Windsor strokers can make >400rwhp, but the total number of n/a streetcar mustangs that I've seen crest the magical 400 mark is 2. Ever. One was a particularly healthy 347, and the other a 408.

Oh, and carbed vs FI makes no difference, either can make good power.

I've also seen 408s that "should" make that much power on paper, and not deliver the goods on the dyno.

You two should race - it will be fun. Get video.

Paul.

*edit* - oh, and as mentioned previously, you need really good cylinder heads to make power on a windsor stroker. I have Brodix M2 Track 1 CNC heads on mine, and when I build my 445, I'll get some larger ones - probably the new World heads with the extra bolt holes for their new block. If you put 302 heads on a 351, you make 302 power.

I fully agree with you Paul.

Very few street cars get over the 400 mark and usually thats because somebody was just throwing things together.
but a well thought out combo can get there. It just takes time to address all the little details.

Sounds like you have a nice combo now... whats it got and how much does it make? Track times?

 

[Stopsign32v]

Sounds like you have a nice combo now... whats it got and how much does it make? Track times?

Was that directed towards Paul?

 

[5litrarag]

Sounds like you have a nice combo now... whats it got and how much does it make? Track times?

Was that directed towards Paul?

Yes...

 

[Paul]

Combo is currently:

422 ci (4.040" x 4.100")
8.8:1 CR (39cc dish piston)
Brodix M2 Track 1 CNC (2.08/1.60)
Mild custom hydraulic roller (.576/.569, 234/236, 114 LSA)
Trick Flow R intake, 90mm Accufab, 4" inlet, no MAF
1.75" mid-lengths with custom dual 3" exhaust, cats, magnaflows

No track times or dyno numbers.

Old combo:
418 ci, 9.8:1 CR
TFS TW heads, ported
Lunati 51018 (.536", 218/228, 112)
Edelbrock Performer RPM, 75mm TB, 3" inlet, 75mm MAF
Shorties, stock exhaust (with stock cats)

347rwhp/442rwtq n/a
487rwhp/615rwtq 150 shot plate kit
12.88 @ 111mph, 2.21 60' 3680 lbs, 275 street tires


Paul.

 

[5litrarag]

Good numbers (especially torque) for a mild combo... I'm surprised that you went with such low compression ratios on them both. Setting up for a blower later on?

 

[Paul]

The car was a pleasure to drive, and the torque was endless.

Yes, the new combo is setup to accept boost.

Paul.

 

[5litrarag]

The car was a pleasure to drive, and the torque was endless.

Yes, the new combo is setup to accept boost.

Paul.

I see....

 

[realitygt]

twin supercharge!! :hammer:

 

[Paul]

Nah, either a large-ish blower (e.g. T-trim or YSi) or a 76mm (or larger) turbo.

 

[IceMan]

Even the cars have the same amount of power, you have a better power under the curve... he might make the same peak HP but it will take him a longer time and RPM to get there... You should have no problem beating him if the drivers are about the same...

 

[95Grandtouring5.0]

Look at it this way. He will be playing catch up that is for sure. He will probably roast the tires, while you won't so much because you gotta wait for boost to build. You'll have the better start then your turbo will be kicking in. If I had to vote I'd say you.

 

[Hybrid Freak]

He is probley sharting in his pants everynight knowing he has to race a boosted car. But it should be a good race. 500 hp he better have his combo on the money. Compression,cam carb, etc....

 

[Stopsign32v]

I just found out he is running a set of iron Dart heads that went 6.90's on another car (don't know if that 6.90s was with spray or not) and he is running a Holley double pumper 750 (???) I don't know my carbs.

 

[Stopsign32v]

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=957031 Another EASY 500rwhp 351W. Isn't that right 5litrarag?

 

[5litrarag]

I'm running worked iron Darts on mine... the heads are old-school but they are still around for a reason.... They work. Flat out.


Yeah...easy. Its obvious there is something wrong with his choice of parts, thats the whole point behind his post and with a few more hp from it, it would be at the 500 fwhp mark.
I dont care to sit here and argue it with you and anyone else here, but what I welcome you to do is go over to the Hardcore 5.0 tech board and do a search.

Heres a thread I pulled with a quick & dirty search since I was over on Corral anyway... it shows that it is all about the COMBO and knowing how to put it all together and in this thread you can see guys on both sides of the fence and their results. Funny thing is a lot of those guys are running a smaller head than the guy you mentioned....

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=939815&highlight=408+combo