brake upgrades and ABS

[tsp97]

I was just curious if any one knew but if I was to get drilled rotors and upgraded brake pads would it affect my ABS?

I only ask because the ABS on my stang has saved me before from a disaster on the freeway and I dont want anything to mess with it.

 

[AaRoN]

No it shouldn't affect ABS at all.

 

[SRT Handz]

your car actually has ABS?

 

[tsp97]

yep, I slammed on the brakes and shure enough it compensated and kept me from slamming into the back of a truck in the snow

 

[Willis_98GT]

is their such a thing as a gt without abs?? because mine doesn't and i've had too many close calls and i'm pisssed about it.

 

[SRT Handz]

In Fact, an experienced non-ABS driver can stop faster than a car with ABS

 

[Willis_98GT]

yeah i definately know... i was just curious if they made gts without abs..

 

[Petek]

In Fact, an experienced non-ABS driver can stop faster than a car with ABS

That is not true

 

[voidfinger]

I stop a lot faster than a gt with abs...

But yea they do have gt's with out abs ... mine is fully loaded but requested without abs. So no abs for ME !

 

[Petek]

I stop a lot faster than a gt with abs...

But yea they do have gt's with out abs ... mine is fully loaded but requested without abs. So no abs for ME !

I agree with you, ford mustang gt ABS brakes were not designed to operate at optimal conditions. You see tires generally produce maximum grip when they have 5-10% slip relative to the road. oem abs systems are generally aimed at producing the most Stability, rather than the most braking force, they are generally set at producing 1-2% slip to maintain optimum control. A good driver could maintain their 5-10% slip without ABS. however, there are ABS systems that indepently control each wheel, and are designed to mantain 5-10% slip to offer maximum braking force. I highly doubt any driver could maintain 10% tire slip through out a stopping cycle. escpecially around a road course where you have to compensate for debris, grit,bumps, dust etc. how many times do you see a car lock up one of its tires entering a hair pin or some other turn?. The fact is though, these abs systems are heavy and uneeded, hence why they are not used. But they are much better than a human could ever be.

 

[SRT Handz]

In Fact, an experienced non-ABS driver can stop faster than a car with ABS

That is not true

any proof proving me wrong?

ABS makes an experienced driver slower because a experience driver that know how to work a car without ABS cans brake harder and later. Braking is very important and can give you an advantage if you know the right time to brake. Driving a car without ABS will train you to brake incredibly fast..... ABS is just for the weak

 

[voidfinger]

I stop a lot faster than a gt with abs...

But yea they do have gt's with out abs ... mine is fully loaded but requested without abs. So no abs for ME !

I agree with you, ford mustang gt ABS brakes were not designed to operate at optimal conditions. You see tires generally produce maximum grip when they have 5-10% slip relative to the road. oem abs systems are generally aimed at producing the most Stability, rather than the most braking force, they are generally set at producing 1-2% slip to maintain optimum control. A good driver could maintain their 5-10% slip without ABS. however, there are ABS systems that indepently control each wheel, and are designed to mantain 5-10% slip to offer maximum braking force. I highly doubt any driver could maintain 10% tire slip through out a stopping cycle. escpecially around a road course where you have to compensate for debris, grit,bumps, dust etc. how many times do you see a car lock up one of its tires entering a hair pin or some other turn?. The fact is though, these abs systems are heavy and uneeded, hence why they are not used. But they are much better than a human could ever be.

well mainly i was getting at it since i have the 13" dual piston caliper upgrade hmmm cobra

 

[Jrgunn5150]

is their such a thing as a gt without abs?? because mine doesn't and i've had too many close calls and i'm pisssed about it.

My GT didn't have ABS, it was optional both front and rear in 97

 

[SRT Handz]

well mainly i was getting at it since i have the 13" dual piston caliper upgrade hmmm cobra

i have a 13 inch brake upgrade also.... i can stop WAY faster than my buddies 04 GT with 13 inch brakes and ABS.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

well mainly i was getting at it since i have the 13" dual piston caliper upgrade hmmm cobra

i have a 13 inch brake upgrade also.... i can stop WAY faster than my buddies 04 GT with 13 inch brakes and ABS.

Yep, I could totally strangle people with Cobra brakes and no ABS

 

[voidfinger]

why is that J.R.? It might be strange but i haven't been able to lock my wheels up since i went with the cobra stuff... is that strange? or normal?

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I could just haul down quickly enough to throw them against the belts. I could lock the brakes though, I did it right before I crashed :slap:

 

[voidfinger]

well the other day i was just messing around and i was going 55 mph and i slammed the brakes... almost stood up on them and it would not slide or lock up... at all

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I have no idea, but I did buy mine new in a kit, with Hawk pads, but you should still be able to lock em up if you want. Unless there's another freaky 98 thing preventing it.

 

[Petek]

In Fact, an experienced non-ABS driver can stop faster than a car with ABS

That is not true

any proof proving me wrong?

ABS makes an experienced driver slower because a experience driver that know how to work a car without ABS cans brake harder and later. Braking is very important and can give you an advantage if you know the right time to brake. Driving a car without ABS will train you to brake incredibly fast..... ABS is just for the weak

An abs system with independant wheel control will own your ass every single time. They are designed to produce maximum braking force at each wheel, something you cannot do handz, im not buying your abs hating bullshit. Go drive a new bmw, and you will find out for yourself.