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Currently my 95 Gt Vert is on all stock suspension. Fitment is pretty horrendous and it feels like a wagon over any bumps, I’m tired of it. I am on a somewhat tight budget, hoping to spend less than $1000. Coilovers would be cool but I don’t want to cheap out on them and a good set looks to be at least $1500 before tax and other mods.

The plan as of right now is to go with Eibach Pro-Damper kit (3514.840) along with the Eibach Pro kit springs (3530.140). With a discount I can get that would total out to about $920.

A concern I face is the springs say they will drop the car 1-1.4 inches, and I think I’d like to go a little lower than that. I have long tube headers and the catalytic converter shields on my BBK X-pipe do scrape on some speed bumps but hey they’re shielded for a reason, should be fine? So, I’ve been unable to find what spring rate the shocks are valved for, and I’ve also been unable to find the spring rate for the springs. Would there be an issue if I switched the springs out for something else?

Or, does anyone have recommendations on other brands or kits within this $1000 budget that would be a better bang for my buck? Are CC plates necessary? Thanks.
 

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if ya want the coil overs take a little time to save the extra $$$ and get what you want. From what I have found when you settle, if you are lucky you sell the car before the "What if" question drives you crazy enough to go get a good set. It took me a while to save up for my air ride but in the end I have not regretted it at all. At least since writting the check that was one that hurt a little, having to write small....
 

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Do you want to improve ride quality, performance, or how the car looks? With a stock-style spring setup, these cars handle better when they sit higher than most people think looks cool. In general, progressive springs are better for ride quality but not the best option for performance driving. Lowering the car too much will require CC plates and make the car handle worse at the limit. Many aftermarket non-adjustable performance shock & strut kits are stiffer than stock. Going too stiff will make the car handle worse when pushed.

If you're looking to improve handling on a budget, there are better ways to spend $1,000. How do you plan to use the car?
 

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The H&R SS springs give a great drop, and a nice ride.
 
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Do you want to improve ride quality, performance, or how the car looks? With a stock-style spring setup, these cars handle better when they sit higher than most people think looks cool. In general, progressive springs are better for ride quality but not the best option for performance driving. Lowering the car too much will require CC plates and make the car handle worse at the limit. Many aftermarket non-adjustable performance shock & strut kits are stiffer than stock. Going too stiff will make the car handle worse when pushed.

If you're looking to improve handling on a budget, there are better ways to spend $1,000. How do you plan to use the car?
Currently it’s my daily driver and it’ll be my daily for a while but eventually it’ll be a weekend car, maybe go to the track once in a while. I would generally like to improve all 3, more so focused on ride quality and having it look a little better, since right now it looks like a 4x4…
 

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Currently it’s my daily driver and it’ll be my daily for a while but eventually it’ll be a weekend car, maybe go to the track once in a while. I would generally like to improve all 3, more so focused on ride quality and having it look a little better, since right now it looks like a 4x4…
Trying to improve all 3 means making some compromises. You will have to decide which compromises you can live with. And you have to be cautious when it comes to how aftermarket suspension parts are advertised. Most of the time, aftermarket companies don't differentiate between street, autocross, or track applications. They just say, "These parts improve handling without sacrificing ride quality." How much they improve handling can vary. And because suspension is a system, your other mods make a big difference. In addition to ride quality and looks, you are moving the limit of traction further in or out with your mods. A super-low, super-stiff car might feel great on the street, but it will have a tendency to understeer or oversteer when driven aggressively.

I'm a big fan of adjustable shocks & struts. They allow you to get the handling closer to neutral, and to compensate for future mods. You can also easily adjust the ride quality. I haven't personally used KYB AGX shocks & struts, but I recommended them for the Humble Mechanic Mustang build, and I was impressed with their performance. They are a relatively inexpensive way to get some adjustability in your suspension.

Going with progressive rate springs would be better for your application, but you will be waiting a little bit for front of the car to "plant" when you're using the car for performance driving. You can drive around that issue. I don't daily-drive my SN95 Mustangs, but I wouldn't go lower than a 1.25" drop for a street car. Lower springs are often stiffer, which means ride quality/handling can suffer.
 

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I would settle on your entire parts list before ordering anything because the pro-kit shocks likely won't handle anything stiffer than the pro-kit springs. Rockauto.com also has Bilstiens for $599 (same as the prokit) and you can use the 5% discount code ( 257322452229880220 good to march 1st) to knock that down to $570. Just gotta factor in shipping. But those will handle a stiffer spring. How much? Depends

I run the Eibach Pro-kit on my Sn95 with Bilstiens. Front he short drives i've done, it's a little bit firmer than stock but not bad. You really feel it over broken road, but it handles well. Drop was 1" overall, which is fine with me. I semi-daily driver the car and I don't want it firm to the point I no longer enjoy it, which is what I enjoy.

My Fox has MM coil-overs on Bilstiens. I also ride on 18" wheels (SN95 has 17's) and the ride is much nicer in comparison. The downside is cost. The MM coil-over package is over $2K.
 
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I would settle on your entire parts list before ordering anything because the pro-kit shocks likely won't handle anything stiffer than the pro-kit springs. Rockauto.com also has Bilstiens for $599 (same as the prokit) and you can use the 5% discount code ( 257322452229880220 good to march 1st) to knock that down to $570. Just gotta factor in shipping. But those will handle a stiffer spring. How much? Depends

I run the Eibach Pro-kit on my Sn95 with Bilstiens. Front he short drives i've done, it's a little bit firmer than stock but not bad. You really feel it over broken road, but it handles well. Drop was 1" overall, which is fine with me. I semi-daily driver the car and I don't want it firm to the point I no longer enjoy it, which is what I enjoy.

My Fox has MM coil-overs on Bilstiens. I also ride on 18" wheels (SN95 has 17's) and the ride is much nicer in comparison. The downside is cost. The MM coil-over package is over $2K.
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After further research and using the suspension guide on this site, I've decided this is probably my best option. BUT! Subtotal: $1,352.94. BC Coilovers + CC plates is about $1500. Should I just go with this or save up a little extra and buy a coilover kit? I've decided I'm going for around a 1.5" drop, focused more on comfortability and good handling, as looks will come with a better set of wheels :D:D.
 

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Don't forget a set of MM solid steering rack bushings. They make a huge difference.
 

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After further research and using the suspension guide on this site, I've decided this is probably my best option. BUT! Subtotal: $1,352.94. BC Coilovers + CC plates is about $1500. Should I just go with this or save up a little extra and buy a coilover kit? I've decided I'm going for around a 1.5" drop, focused more on comfortability and good handling, as looks will come with a better set of wheels :D:D.


Really it's your decision to make. I don;t know anything about BC coil-overs so I can't comment on ride, NVH, sounds, etc.

I have put about 50-60 miles on my Bilstiens plus Eibach pro-kit and absolutely love this setup. Drop is about 3/4"-1" on poly isolators (could get more if removed) but the ride comfort is awesome. Only a little firmer than stock but it takes bumps very well. It only gets harsh over very broken road but so does my MM coil-over equipped car.
 

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After further research and using the suspension guide on this site, I've decided this is probably my best option. BUT! Subtotal: $1,352.94. BC Coilovers + CC plates is about $1500. Should I just go with this or save up a little extra and buy a coilover kit? I've decided I'm going for around a 1.5" drop, focused more on comfortability and good handling, as looks will come with a better set of wheels :D:D.
This is listed in the description for the Super Sport Springs on the MM page:

Super Sport springs

Aggressive, very low stance. These springs will slam your Mustang for appearance, but lower than is desirable for optimum handling. Expect compromised ride quality because extreme lowering increases frequency of hitting the bumpstops.


If you are looking for ride quality and good handling, there are better options.
 

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"A super-low, super-stiff car might feel great on the street, but it will have a tendency to understeer or oversteer when driven aggressively."
Agreed. Unless you're drifting you probably don't want either understeer or oversteer. That's always been my goal when setting up my car. When I exit a high speed turn and am trying to accelerate as hard as I possibly can out of a corner, my car drifts sideways reliably and predictably out towards the edge of the track. The Torsen T2R differential fighting for every bit of traction it can find the whole time.
I'm a big fan of adjustable shocks & struts. They allow you to get the handling closer to neutral, and to compensate for future mods. You can also easily adjust the ride quality.
I'm also a huge fan of adjustable suspension, but I somewhat disagree with this. Perhaps it's just the way it was worded. Yes, as WH mentioned, adjusting suspension for a car that is both street and track driven is a compromise unless you adjust it back for the street after a track event. Most don't want to do that. Yes adjusting your compression and rebound dampening can improve things like turn-in and comfort as mentioned, but optimizing for traction with both low speed dampening (for turn-in) and high speed dampening (for comfort) requires dampeners that have both high speed and low speed dampening adjustability. I don't know of any mainstream manufacturers who make dampeners like this for installation on stock SN-95s with the exception of MultiMatic ($$$$$) and those will put a hole through your hood (They were on the Jason Priestly #46 car (#191/250) when I bought it).
Toe-in, caster, camber, anti-roll bars, tire pressures and roll center have a tremendous affect on achieving neutral handling characteristics. The first four of those are easy to adjust if you have adjustable shocks and C/C plates. To adjust the roll center you need either a selection of roll bars to choose from or an adjustable panhard bar. Raising and lowering the car also, of course, affects the roll center, but that requires an adjustable ride height like coil-overs.
Whew! That's a lot, and I'm sure others may disagree with me, but that's my experience.
I made the decision to go all-out with my car with Griggs Racing's best World Challenge frame and suspension system ($$$$$) which is not only configured completely different from stock, but has no rubber or polyurethane anywhere (all tubular chrome-moly with aircraft quality Heim joints), and is highly adjustable. This is how I've achieved both neutral handling and prodigious grip, but ride quality is somewhat brutal (it's NOT a daily driver).
BTW I have the original Koni yellow adjustable front and rear dampers from my '95 Cobra R for sale if anyone's interested. Less than 20K miles, no leaks. Griggs fitted Fox body Koni yellows because they are slightly shorter and won't bottom out when used with the Griggs setup. Mine is, very admittedly, an extremely expensive setup (around $15K in 1997) which took Griggs eight months to install. On a road course it can't be beat though. Bruce Griggs went undefeated in NASA American Iron Extreme (AIX) using his own products.
Going with progressive rate springs would be better for your application, but you will be waiting a little bit for front of the car to "plant" when you're using the car for performance driving. You can drive around that issue. I don't daily-drive my SN95 Mustangs, but I wouldn't go lower than a 1.25" drop for a street car. Lower springs are often stiffer, which means ride quality/handling can suffer.
Agreed, Bruce Griggs made it clear to me that over-lowering a Mustang can and will hurt the handling. I believe Eibach makes good progressive rate springs. They made the stock '95 Cobra R springs which are progressive (I don't believe Eibach sells that exact spring because they manufactured them for Ford). Griggs recommended I move to constant rate with their coilover setup. I no longer have my originals.
Griggs recommends using only a slight amount of compression (like 1-2 clicks) and a lot of rebound dampening (like 75-90%). That seems to work well for me.

YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary)

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Great info! I'd love to see your Griggs outfitted car. I've never really seen pics of a car outfitted.

One thing I didn't see metioned is the use of coilover helper springs...

This is just my experience mind you:

I have Maximum Motorsports coil-overs. For street use, I (at times) had scenarios where rear axle articulation would cause the coil spring to unseat. The same thing would happen if jacking up the car, as there aren't suspension limiters and the springs are short. This would result in a loud "POP!" during compression as the spring would be out of alignment for the spring seat, but then settles.

Helper springs (for those unfamiliar) take up the slack when suspension droop is greater than the spring can compensate. Under weight of the vehicles they completely collapse.

This is what some refer to when they say that coilovers are "noisey".
 

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