FOX Intake Mani Swap! OPs.

95opal · Feb 10, 2013

Paul said:
I'm not being confrontational, you're providing bad tech. Wrong tech. For example, you said:

You said your motor was "healthy" but later stated it made only 230 rwhp / 270 rwtq on the dyno.

That is not "healthy" as modified 302s go. It's rather anemic. Posting a picture of a car with sloppy suspension squatting on the rear tires is not indicative of its performance. It was probably a mid-14 second car at best, especially with 2.73s and an auto.

Making the additional changes you noted, (new upper, 24# injectors, SN95 MAF, CAI, long tubes, true duals (no balance pipe), electric fan, and of course the T5 and 8.8"/4.10s.) is STILL not going to make the car "healthy." It is a poster child for a mildly modified 5.0, and one which would NOT gain any performance benefit from a box or short runner intake.

You can have all the opinions you want, but correct engine combinations are a topic of fact, not opinion. It's an air pump. Reducing the air intake velocity on a mild 302, either with a single plane intake on a carbureted car, or a box/short runner setup on an EFI car, will make you lose power. As I mentioned before, this has been proven in dyno test after dyno test over and over and over again.

So please stop. Your tech is just wrong.

Paul.

Well stated.....box intakes are better suited for blown applications not bolt on 5 liters

ratio411 · Feb 11, 2013

Paul,

You are mixing up the engines.

When I was using the term "302", I was talking about my carb'd 302 with a single plane intake that you said I lost power with.
It was making 330 at the wheels.

When I was using the term 5.0, I was talking about the stock long block in the Fairmont.
The dyno numbers you are quoting are the Fairmont. It's a header/intake engine, and a blast to drive.
Even if it lost power (It has not been redyno'd), it is running better than ever and is a blast to drive, and that is all that matters.
We can agree to disagree, and for-go the urinary olympics. All's good. :thumbsup:

ratio411 · Feb 11, 2013

MustangChris said:
well, I see you've met Paul

He's our resident 5.0 guru.... he's a wealth of knowledge -- It's just sometimes his delivery methods for his knowledge are a little more cut and dry than most are used to... I hope he doesn't run ya off!

But, considering you've been around the block a few times, I'm sure that you've run into all sorts of different types of personalities and opinions.

Needless to say, welcome to the forum! We've got the folk here who can really help your kids out with their 5.0 questions.

I'm going to un-lock this thread, as I feel there's some solid tech discussion going on in here...

Just consider this "fair warning" that if you can't handle the heat -- stay out of the kitchen.

It's clear we have differing opinions and we're all going to have to have thick enough skin to discuss them.

the mods and I will keep a close eye on it to keep it from getting to a "bashing" point....

No 'bashing' from me. I made my comment to Paul more or less tongue in cheek. (The part about "confrontational")
I am a pretty happy go lucky guy, I know what I am doing, been doing it for 30 years. I am not going to upset the apple-cart because someone tells me I'm wrong. LoL
I have been on all the 'other' Ford/Stang boards for 10+ years, I got plenty thick skin.

I only found this board because my son came here. For some reason he doesn't want to go to the boards I go to, so I came to him. Gotta be Dad and embarrass him where I can.

I'll play nice.