questions about termi swap

[Speedstang302]

im not made of money like some of the termi swap's i've seen..so im thinking..i'll find the interior and harness's from a 03/04..but for the motor half..

would this work? 96-98 cobra block, stock crank/rods, new .020 pistons (just to freshen up depending on miles of block), 96-98 cobra heads, factory 03/04 eaton blower?

what else am i going to need motor wise? im going to do a pro-motion HDt45 rebuild to keep my trans for cost reasons.

i guess im cobra to have to do a clutch for my t45, but like radiator and stuff, 03/04 or can i do 96-98? also headers? 96-98?

i know its alot..if i could find a detailed write up i'd feel better about this.

 

[Blind]

B heads (93-98) are completely incompatible with a blower meant for C heads (99-04).

the weakest part of the 93-98 4 valve is the rods, if you're going to replace 1 part, replace the rods not the pistons.

an 03/04 eaton swap to a non-terminator motor requires about $2k worth of other little parts for it to work, intercooler, lower intake, timing cover, alternator, pulley's, heat exchanger, intercooler pump, heater core lines, etc etc.

It's MUCH more cost effective to get an aftermarket supercharger kit.

 

[KWClutch]

You could buy an 03/04 long block for all the things you would need to make that work. You could use a 96-98 block. It would actually be better than an 03/04 block. You couldn't use the crank or rods. They suck. You couldn't use the 96-98 heads. You'd need the C heads. At that point you can buy a kit from a guy to run the 03/04 Eaton but then you'd need this:

2r3z6312baa - Crank pulley /Harmonic Balancer
f1az6378a - washer for balancer
f5rz6a340b - bolt for balancer
2r3z6312ba - Supercharger Crank drive pulley
2r3z10153ca - Bracket that replaces stk. alt. on 99-01 Cobra?s and 03/04 Mach 1?s (Comes w/ pulley below if bought used)
yw7z8678aa - pulley for above bracket
2r3z6b209bc - Pulley bridge assembly for S.C. (If bought new it comes with the bridge, 2 idlers and tensioner)
(8678B) Idler pulley,timing cover pass. side
yw7z8678aa - pulley on drivers side of timing cover
(6D080) Timing cover (if bought new, it comes w/ pulley on drivers side and tensioner)
s5az6700a - timing cover seal
(10A313) Upper alternator bracket
(10153) Lower alternator bracket
(10346) Alternator
1U2Z-14S411-TA Electrical connector (alt. to harmness )
(6B209A) Tensioner on timing cover
2r3z8260ab - Radiator hose
2r3z8a593ab - Radiator hose
2r3z8k576aa - Radiator hose
2r3z8548aa - Water cross over pipe
(6881) Cobra oil cooler adapter
(6A642) Cobra Oil cooler
2r3z9002aa - Cobra fuel tank (optional)
2r3z9h307ab - Cobra fuel pump (optional)
2r3z6f066aa - Eaton supercharger
2r3z9424bb - Lower intake
(6K775) Garrett factory intercooler
3U2Z-14S411-SSA IAT2 sensor connector
2r3z9n491ca - Intercooler hard lines that hug the block (If bought new, it comes w/ part # 9l443c)
(9N491A) Intercooler hard lines that come from the h/e
3r3z9l443aa - Intercooler line that goes from the i/c adapter to i/c res.
2r3z9l443ba - Intercooler line that goes from the i/c adapter to the hard lines that hug the block
2r3z9l443ca - Intercooler line that goes from the hard line against the block to i/c pump(included w/ the hard line that hugs the block if purchased new)
2r3z9l443da - Intercooler line that goes from hard line to hard line
2r3z9l443ea - Intercooler line that goes from hard line from h/e to i/c pump
2r3z9l443fa - Intercooler line that goes from hard line and connects to h/e
2r3z9l443ga - Intercooler line that goes from hard line and connects to h/e
f8yz8501aa - Ford / Bosche water pump for intercooler
2r3z8n500ac - Intercooler pump bracket
2r3z8k226aa - Factory heat exchanger
2r3z8a193aa - Heat exchanger mounting bracket
2r3z8c386aa - 2each bracket clamps for h/e
(9N491B) Lower manifold to intercooler water adapter
2r3z9a589ca - Plenum
(9B659) Intake tube from maf to t/b.
(9F715) IAC valve
2r3z9f593ba - Injectors
(6F089) Boost bypass actuator
2r3z9a825aa - Cruise control cable
2r3z9a758aa - Throttle cable
(9728) Throttle and cruise control cable mounting bracket
1l3z12b579aa - MAF
xw4z9d475ab - EGR valve
2r3z9d477ad - EGR tube
(6C324) PCV tubing
(9F479) Sensor on the back of the S/C
(9J432) Bracket for vacuum stuff on left side of the S/C
(9H465) Vacuum stuff
(9J459) Vacuum stuff
(9J460) Vacuum stuff
(9E498) Hose's or tube cluster of connectors for the vacuum parts above
e83z9f670a IAC gasket
2r3z6020aa - Timing cover gasket LH side
2r3z6020ba -Timing cover gasket middle
2r3z6020ca - Timing cover gasket RH side
2r3z9h486aa - Lower intake to S.C. gasket
2r3z9l437bb - Plenum to S/C gasket
e6az9d476b - EGR gasket
2r3z3490aa - Power steering resevoir bracket.
I/C resivoir tank
i/c pigtail
S/C 8 rib belt
inner acc. belt.
n804178s309 - (Cool Nuts for plenum, coolant crossover and pulley bridge can be picked up at local auto parts store in help section.
n805164437 - (1) Bolt for pulley cage to timing cover.
n808102s437 - bolt that is used on the idlers and pulleys. Only need if you buy parts seperately. You will need a total of at least 6 of these.
n808920s437 - Pulley bridge bolts
n606677-s36 (4) Bolts to bolt the bracket clamps to the h/e bracket
N605909s437 - (4) bolts for the upper alt. bracket
n807274s437 (1) lower alt. bracket to alt bolt
n811313s431 (4) studs to bolt plenum to s/c
w506404s437 (10) i/c to s/c bolts

Long story short. Either spend the money on an 03/04 longblock for about 5-6k or build your 96-98 cobra motor and put a centrifugal blower on it.

 

[Speedstang302]

well im just throwing this out there, cuz there is a guy local thats got a 96-98 cobra block, mahnley ibeam rods and new .020 pistons for $600. he also has a set of mach1 heads and the heads from that 96-98 cobra..and i can get my hands on a factory eaton for $400. but i think he wanted $600 for the mach1 heads.

i dont want to run a centrifugal s/c. run plenty of those on previous foxbody's and had a procharger on my mach 1..i wanna try something different.

so basically your saying pay $5000-7000 for everything from an 03/04 cobra
or
piece it together for about the same price and possible run into issues? i was planning to go used on as much as possible.

 

[KWClutch]

You could piece it all together but it's going to cost you a lot of heartache and you'll probably end up spending close to the same amount in the end. And I'd rather have a motor built from Ford than a homemade build.

 

[Speedstang302]

You could piece it all together but it's going to cost you a lot of heartache and you'll probably end up spending close to the same amount in the end. And I'd rather have a motor built from Ford than a homemade build.

you right, i think i've decided on just doing a teksid block and just going 2v with a roots style blower...and keep my eye open for a good deal on wrecked cobra's. or save and just buy a cobra..i'd love to go back to a 4v..i loved my mach 1. a couldnt immagine a termi!

 

[Blind]

they make roots kits for 96-98 4v cobra's...

 

[Speedstang302]

this maybe a dump question but which responds better to that style of a blower..2v or 4v?

ill keep my options open for now..ill get my irs setup, do my hdt45 rebuild and tubular k..and just leave mine with the 2v pi swap for now..

 

[Blind]

they both respond well, and both can make enough power to blow up a stock rotating assembly, I prefer the power band of a 4v that can rev to 7500 personally. Only boosted 4v's I've driven have been terminators, I don't plan to ever boost mine. My friend had a vortech SQ-trim / custom front mount intercooled making 12psi on a stock 2000 GT and honestly I wasn't impressed :dontknow:

 

[KWClutch]

You need to either build a built motor or buy an 03/04 longblock or you're just going to have to do this again very soon.

 

[Speedstang302]

You need to either build a built motor or buy an 03/04 longblock or you're just going to have to do this again very soon.

see now ive been told the 03/04 block isnt very good..

im thinking im going to do this

teksid block bored .020" over, .020" forged pistons, forged rods and polished cobra crank. then ill find a set of b heads.

im thinking using the kenne bell big bore 2.1L for a 96-98 cobra would work out good

any ideas on hp#'s? also maybe stage 2 blower cams and comp springs..other than that just gunna do basic bolt ons

 

[KWClutch]

The 03/04 block is fine. It's just heavier than the teksid block. You'll probably see close to 400-450hp. You just need to make sure you build the motor right. Make sure you use an 03-04 crank. The 96-98 are not forged.

 

[uncltrvlnmatt]

If you are serious about doing this get a parts car. You will probably spend just as much or very close to it peicing everything together.

 

[96_SVT_Cobra]

The 03/04 block is fine. It's just heavier than the teksid block. You'll probably see close to 400-450hp. You just need to make sure you build the motor right. Make sure you use an 03-04 crank. The 96-98 are not forged.

say what... the 96+ 8 bolt cranks are forged (which are in the cobras). now the rods and pistons are not where as the 03/04s are.

as far as the kb on a 96-98 cobra, the only problem i have with them is they do not offer a intercooler. if you added a water/meth kit to your list you would see a good power increase. also the 2.1 they say on their site is only good for 15psi. but with a stock 96-98 it will prolly be around 360 on 7psi. so low prolly low 400s on 11psi add water/meth u could gain like 40-50 just from that. if u do cams add a few more.

 

[KWClutch]

Yeah my bad. 96-98 are forged, just make sure you turn it.

 

[pmot]

You need to either build a built motor or buy an 03/04 longblock or you're just going to have to do this again very soon.

see now ive been told the 03/04 block isnt very good..

im thinking im going to do this

teksid block bored .020" over, .020" forged pistons, forged rods and polished cobra crank. then ill find a set of b heads.

im thinking using the kenne bell big bore 2.1L for a 96-98 cobra would work out good

any ideas on hp#'s? also maybe stage 2 blower cams and comp springs..other than that just gunna do basic bolt ons

That is exactly what I would do in your situation. Twinscrews make more high end power anyways.

 

[jthorn9]

+1 twin screw FTW.

 

[MustangChris]

The 03/04 block is fine. It's just heavier than the teksid block. You'll probably see close to 400-450hp. You just need to make sure you build the motor right. Make sure you use an 03-04 crank. The 96-98 are not forged.

the cobra block is cast iron, my engine builder suggested using it instead of the teskid for longevity's sake.
its the same block as the 2vs if im not mistaken...

 

[stephen4036]

I am doing a 98 4v swap this weekend, but since a termi is already on a COP setup it will be much easier....

just remember terminators are 8 Bolt 11" clutches and you will need a new hood.

 

[FREAKNAZTY]

If your still interested in going termi hit me up I have a 90% complete setup I am thinking of selling . I picked it up as part of a package deal on a car .......not your normal motor though stage 5 ported eaton , longtubes , upper and lower , tb and plenum , etc.