Thinking about selling my Porsche for a Cobra...

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  1. AzzLyp

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    Am I crazy? I have an 83 911sc. I've always wanted one and when I retired, I bought it from my dad. I'm the 4th owner and it has 140k original miles. It's a beautiful car and there's a lot of things I want to do to it, but I've added it up in my head and I'm at right around 30k to get it done... I can sell it for about 25-30k and pick up an 03-04 cobra and have the hp in stock form that I would have to spend about 10k on the Porsche to get. I'm just thinking about it right now, no real plans to sell it, but it really is tempting. I love driving it and it gets a lot of looks and it handles like a beast, but it's an 80's sports car with 180hp when you get down to it. So again, am I crazy? 03-04 cobras seem to hold their value really well, but I also would drive one if I had it. I can't say the same for the Porsche if I spent that much money on it. I hardly drive it now because I'm worried about someone hitting it...
     
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    Sold my 70 440 six pack Road Runner that needed lots of $$$$ to bring it up to the level it deserved and so I bought a nice 98 Mustang GT. Parts are cheap and easy to get for the Mustang, not so for the Road Runner. Probably the same with the Porsche. My GT doesn't turn as many heads, in hindsight should have bought a Cobra, but by the time I get done with the mods I'll have a nice handling, nice looking, powerful car for cheap. Buying a Cobra expecting it to hold value like a Porsche, I don't know about that.
     
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    Yeah I know it won't hold the value like the Porsche does, but I'm seeing 03-04 cobras going for 16-28k around here. Considering that's for a 13 year old car, that isn't too bad, value wise. The Porsche will always be worth more, but, I mean honestly, we aren't really in it for the value of our cars, right? I want the best bang for my buck. I love my 98 vert and ever since I swapped the 32v into it, I've been thinking about getting a supercharged cobra. I could do the 98, but living in Cali, that's just a hassle. I don't know, it's just a thought at this point still.
     
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    Depends on what you want from the car - meaning what you personally get from it. Is it rarity? Performance? Fun to drive? Fun to cruise? Lays down elevenses when you mash the gas? Ultimately, what do you want from a car? Once you know that, then you can decide if the 911 or Cobra fits the bill. It's hard for us to tell you one way or the other if you are crazy or not - some might say yes, others say no. Others yet will say "meh."

    I would love a late 70's to early 80's 911. I also don't own one. Meaning: it's easy to want what I don't have. While the car is certainly iconic, it will take quite a bit of coin to get the performance up, no doubt. A Cobra will have that in spades. So without knowing you, without really knowing the situation, I'll take a stab at a pros/cons list.

    911 Pros:
    - pretty damn rare, certainly won't see many of them
    - iconic car, it's a Porsche 911 after all
    - great handling out of the box
    - feels like a sports car
    - good curb weight, about 2800 lbs (resulting in weight/hp ratio of about 15.55:1 - which is just okay)

    911 Cons:
    - it's old, so stuff will break if it hasn't already
    - it's old, made with old tech, and probably pales to today's performance; in other words, lackluster performance by today's standards
    - it's expensive, it's a Porsche 911 after all
    - you will feel like it is lacking in acceleration

    Termi Cobra Pro's:
    - it's supercharged, and has almost 2.5 times the power of the 911 (it's officially rated at 390 bhp, but it's really closer to about 430 bhp)
    - still holds its own by today's performance standard
    - blower whine
    - it's a Mustang, so oem parts are more readily available
    - aftermarket parts are plentiful and affordable
    - you will not feel like it's lacking in acceleration
    - good handling out of the box (perhaps not as good as the 911, but unless you track them you probably won't notice)
    - feels like a sports car
    - 6-speed trans and new(er) tech

    Termi Cobra Cons:
    - it's old, so stuff will break or is about to break
    - it's a Mustang, which means there are like billions out there. Not like a termi, but only Mustang people will know that; everyone else will see a Mustang
    - not as unique/iconic as a 911, won't turn as many heads
    - it's a very specific Mustang, so depending on what parts you need, they might be harder to come by than a normal Mustang (but still easier than a 911)
    - heavier curb weight, about 3600 lbs (however, due to the crap-ton of power, the resulting weight/hp ratio is about 8.37:1 - which is really, really good)


    So really, it comes down to: what do you want from the car? Both cars offer completely different driving experiences.
     
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    If that's really what you are after, and your choices are between the 911sc and a Termi Cobra, then the answer is Termi Cobra hands down.
     
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    Very good points. My original plan was to turbo it and track it. The power goal was 350hp. That's right about the limit for reliability with the trans, so that was part of the 30k I mentioned earlier, since I would need to beef up the trans a little. The car now has decent power because of its weight. I did a little impromptu race against my wife's '13 v6 mustang and it stayed ahead of her till about 115 and then it was all her. I've done just a couple things to the Porsche to wake it up a little and it's very noticeable - lightened flywheel and stage 1 clutch. Like you said, it's an iconic car and it gets noticed and I love that about it, but like you also said, parts for it are not cheap. I used to have a hook up, but my friend sold his parts business and my hook up is no longer available. That's also part of the reason I'm looking at other cars for performance. I wouldn't have either car at the track every weekend, maybe a couple weekends out of the year, to be honest. But constant tracking of the Porsche will no doubt break it at some point. Like you mentioned in your list - that's costly. I have it a reliable point now, but to keep it reliable requires lots of driving. They don't like to sit and they don't like to be babied. I just feel that if I was to buy a cobra, I could cheaply (relatively speaking) throw parts at it and actually have a car that I can enjoy on a much more daily basis.

    Your list put it in much more perspective. I was already thinking that way, but seeing it put together like that makes the points more valid. I know I'd hate myself for getting rid of it, but I'd also hate myself if I never drove it and it just slowly died from not being used... Maybe I'll do a few repairs, more restoration type repairs than actual repairs and have it appraised, see where I'm at with it. A termi would be pretty sick to have, after all.
     
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    Leave the Porsche alone!!! Respect the beauty she is. If you want a cobra, make the payments! Dont get rid of either one. Start a collection of toys!
     
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    Lol, I don't do payments. Went that route with my Evo and a few other cars and making payments on my wife's second mustang. My 98 isn't going anywhere - the wife says she's driving it if I get a cobra. hahaha. I don't know, just a thought for now. I really have to decide if I can do without the Porsche. I like driving it, it's definitely like driving a machine though - the smells, the rawness of it, the feel - everything. It's amazingly comfortable on the highway though, but so is my vert. Decisions...
     
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    Yah, it's a tough call. Honestly, I think a track-oriented 911 would be super sweet. As long as I didn't have to pay for it :-/ I think the Termi would be more cost-effective for the few times you went to the track, and just normal driving. I will one day have a similar-ish dilemma: my parents own a 1969 Dodge Dart GTS, they are the 1st owners. It will be mine one day. But we already have 3 cars, are likely to get a 4th soon, and then one day will get the Dart. We already have an issue with garage/driveway space. It's got a 383 in it, no power steering, no power brakes, probably gets like single digit MPG and is completely original. Do I sell it? Do I keep it? The idea of selling it makes me sick. Do I resto-mod it to make it fun to drive? Do I even have space for it? So I don't even know what I will do. I totally get your pain.

    And just thinking, your 911 is the air-cooled flat six, yes? I don't know, man. Something about the idea of turbo'ing an engine that is only air-cooled gives me the willies :)
     
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    Yessir, 3.0 liter air cooled flat 6. Lots of tq and that cool sound. With a turbo, these things are ridiculous. But there's so much that has to happen to the engine before the turbo can go on that it kind of takes the fun out of it. THEN, if you do blow the engine, you're looking at about 3500-6k just to redo it again... Lol. I was looking at dropping an LS engine into it, it's not hard to do and it's actually pretty cost effective vs rebuilding and turbo'ing the flat six. Plus reliability goes through the roof. But then the purists hate you. hahaha. So there's that.

    I feel you on the Dart. It's tough when you have a cool car already. Truth be told, I would love to just build my vert. But it's so dumb here with smog that I don't feel like dealing with it. My car passes smog with the 32v already, I just want to leave it at that.
     
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    That's an interesting idea, dropping an LS in there. I wonder what that does to the balance of the car? Do the two engines weigh about the same? I gotta imagine with the engine behind the rear wheels that it might affect the balance more so then behind the front wheels might. And I bet the purists would hate you! ;) Lol, is there anything that people haven't put an LS into? :D
     
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    From what I understand, the balance actually gets better because a fully dressed LS weighs less than a fully dressed boxer engine. The engine also sits right about the exact same spot as the boxer engine as well. It looks really good in there too. I ran the idea by my dad after I bought it from him, fully expecting to get a bad tongue lashing, and he was all for it. Being a Chevy guy as well as a Porsche guy, I was actually really surprised by that. I got this link for you to check out. http://www.renegadehybrids.com
     
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    Here's my two cents, hopefully it helps. Personally I have never seen any value to a car that sits around looking pretty. If you aren't going to drive it when the time is available, then why have it. So my question would be which car do I see myself driving more.

    Sent from my SM-G925T using Tapatalk
     
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    Super interesting! That will be a good read for me tonight, thanks! :)
     
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    I like the LS swap idea.

    The old saying goes, if you want to own a Porsche, buy two, one for spare parts.
     
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    Those guys are badass, but holy shit are they expensive. I've seen a couple of their cars before. Works of art - but you're gonna pay.
     
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    I agree, works of art is the perfect description. I follow them on Instagram just for the Porsche porn.
     
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    So I've just been thinking about selling my car and yesterday, a random dude, a mustang owner no less, shows up at my house and offers me 17k cash for my car. I turned him down but he wants my car pretty badly. Wants to come look at it again and try and make a deal with me for it. I won't take any less than 20k cash though. And to be honest, I actually want no less than 25k for it without doing any work to it before I sell it.
     
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    Now is a great time to sell a porshe... prices have gone crazy!