You really can't go wrong with any of them. If I was you I wouldn't want to miss match a combo. If you go with the TF top end kit, do it all, (intake heads cam from TF), or Edelbrock top end kit. I did the mistake of doing an Ed Curtis cam, AFR 185's and an Edelbrock performer intake and the car never ran the way it should have. I swaped all of that for the TF stage 1 top and kit and the car ran like a champ. My 306ci 10.5:1 pistons made 323 RWHP with the TF stage 1 kit and I didnt even break 300 with the custom cam and the AFR's. Although, my buddy that I swaped the stuff to put it on a 331 Stroker motor and made 373 RWHP with a smaller compression motor.
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IceMan...that's definitley interesting.
So you didn't change anything other than the H/C/I and the difference was remarkable?
I have seen the AFR/Edelbrock/Custom cam and have made great numbers.
There are people that have made WELL over 300 with that combo.
Just goes to show you not every car is the same.
So you didn't change anything other than the H/C/I and the difference was remarkable?
I have seen the AFR/Edelbrock/Custom cam and have made great numbers.
There are people that have made WELL over 300 with that combo.
Just goes to show you not every car is the same.
HCI was the only thing changed. Other than that everything was the same. I was happy with it back than, and it was a "budget build" at the time. I sprayed it later on with a 150 shot and it made 508 RWHP. I sold the car but I still have that shortblock. Im thinking about putting this D1 Procharger that I have laying arround on low boost 8-9 PSI or spraying it again. My stock 136K mile 94 GT shortblock is getting tired and only has about 25-30 PSI oil pressure. Still runs good though on the spray for a bolt on GT.
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good info, thanks for the opinions fellas.
Now the next subj, is there any place that is better then any others to get heads from? I don't mind paying for the best, but would like to get the best price for it as well....
Now the next subj, is there any place that is better then any others to get heads from? I don't mind paying for the best, but would like to get the best price for it as well....
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my problem is that I do not have enough experience under the hood to know the difference.
So trickflow allows me to run bigger valves, what is the bad part?
So trickflow allows me to run bigger valves, what is the bad part?
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There are heads that make more power than the TFS out of the box but the TFS leave extra room for porting if you should so chose. Also I've heard the twisted valve design puts more stress on the valvetrain.
Interesting to hear about the custom cam making such low numbers, people love to rant and rave over getting a custom grind instead of an off the shelf cam for power.
Interesting to hear about the custom cam making such low numbers, people love to rant and rave over getting a custom grind instead of an off the shelf cam for power.
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your the first to mention the drivetrain stress, can anyone confirm?
My buddy's have also told me to get a custom cam but not sure if its worth the extra $$$
My buddy's have also told me to get a custom cam but not sure if its worth the extra $$$
There is nothing wrong with AFR heads, or the AFR/Ed Curtis/Edelbrock combo.
My best friend has AFR 165s, an Ed Curtis Cam, and the original 1st generation Edelbrock Performer intake on a stock 1986 302 shortblock with over 140,000 miles on it. It makes 311 rwhp naturally aspirated, and runs 11s on nitrous. (150 shot)
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My best friend has AFR 165s, an Ed Curtis Cam, and the original 1st generation Edelbrock Performer intake on a stock 1986 302 shortblock with over 140,000 miles on it. It makes 311 rwhp naturally aspirated, and runs 11s on nitrous. (150 shot)
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TFS heads are on sale today at summit racing!
no joke $400 off
http://www.summitracing.com/search/Brand/Trick-Flow-Specialties/Part-Type/Cylinder-Heads/Make/FORD/Cylinder-Head-Style/Assembled/On-Sale/Yes/???autoview=SKU&mbid=HP50R42
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/summitracing.com
might try calling with some of those coupon codes too...
no joke $400 off
http://www.summitracing.com/search/Brand/Trick-Flow-Specialties/Part-Type/Cylinder-Heads/Make/FORD/Cylinder-Head-Style/Assembled/On-Sale/Yes/???autoview=SKU&mbid=HP50R42
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/summitracing.com
might try calling with some of those coupon codes too...
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damn I do have a 10% off coupon too and that is a great price....... Wasn't plannin on doing it till summer so might have to check the credit cards.... Thanks for the heads up.
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wow, probably will have to pull the trigger on these they say they are on sale all of april. Looking up there they have two different models listed for the 302, on ending in 002 and the other in 004. compairing the two the 004 has 2 springs per valve and designed for a hydrolic roller cam and costs $40 more. I would assume that it is a good thing but was hoping someone can explain it a little better then my remedial mechanical knowledge.
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One is dual spring and the other is single. Since you want to go with a custom cam they always recommend you replace the springs with what they recommend.
ttocs..
You'll see people go back and forth with the TFS vs AFR battle.
TFS heads make good power, any AFR fan that will deny that fact is just an idiot.
One of the things I am not crazy about, is the wedge heads have a canted valve design which is infamous for eating up guides.
Stock for stock the AFR 165cc heads vs Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads, the AFR out flow and have a better velocity than the wedge heads and the AFR's do it with a smaller valve too. AFR (1.90/1.60) vs. Wedges (2.02/1.60)...that being said, once you start porting the wedge heads, watch out because you can get some insane numbers from them.
The AFR heads have a lot of superior parts to them which is also why they are priced about $200 more. They have lightweight 8mm valves, Manley retainers, lightweight Pacaloy 1.29 inch OD springs, hardened chromemoly spring seats, viton oil seals, bronze guides, and the ports are all cnc cut.
You'll see people go back and forth with the TFS vs AFR battle.
TFS heads make good power, any AFR fan that will deny that fact is just an idiot.
One of the things I am not crazy about, is the wedge heads have a canted valve design which is infamous for eating up guides.
Stock for stock the AFR 165cc heads vs Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads, the AFR out flow and have a better velocity than the wedge heads and the AFR's do it with a smaller valve too. AFR (1.90/1.60) vs. Wedges (2.02/1.60)...that being said, once you start porting the wedge heads, watch out because you can get some insane numbers from them.
The AFR heads have a lot of superior parts to them which is also why they are priced about $200 more. They have lightweight 8mm valves, Manley retainers, lightweight Pacaloy 1.29 inch OD springs, hardened chromemoly spring seats, viton oil seals, bronze guides, and the ports are all cnc cut.
OnyxCobra
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I'll agree with Lafenatu. I sat my AFR 165s next to my dad's Trickflows and it's very easy to see why the AFRs cost more money, as they should.
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THAT was some excellent info! Thanks for taking the time to explain it all to me, I am trying to learn it.
At this point I realize that either one of the heads would probably work just fine for my application. As I said I do not drive crazy anymore and only occasionally like to open her up. I think I have a 10% off coupon code for summit which means I think I can get the heads for $900 shipped which is going to be hard to ignor for another 24 hrs....
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the two trickflow heads that I described above available from summit?
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
At this point I realize that either one of the heads would probably work just fine for my application. As I said I do not drive crazy anymore and only occasionally like to open her up. I think I have a 10% off coupon code for summit which means I think I can get the heads for $900 shipped which is going to be hard to ignor for another 24 hrs....
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the two trickflow heads that I described above available from summit?
http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx
