04 mach 1 swap

[MustangChris]

you can use your 2V GT harness, you will have to lengthen some things on it though. You will need a new throttle cable, new coolant hoses, thermostat housing, exhaust manifolds.


and you will either have to swap over your coil packs, or you can rewire your harness to use Coil-on-plugs.

So the computer is the same? Anyone have a write up?

the computer is not the same... even the external dimensions are different.

JR, KW, and a few others told me to splice the 2004 engine harness into my 1996 body harness, but my tuner shop told me it would be best to swap everything over, so thats what i did.

There are benifits to either way:

keep 1997 computer, harnesses -
cleanliness of swap. no random plugs not plugged in because 1997 cars dont have day time running lights (for example)
dash, gauge cluster, steering column, carpet, seats, etc. can all stay put, no need to pull the dash to replace all the electronics.

run 2004 computer, harnesses -
learn litterally everything about your car's computer system.
learn basic electrical skills such as reading wiring diagrams, sodering, splicing, and diagnostics.
learn how everything in your car is held together, turns out only 8 bolts hold in your dash board... lol!
faster computers were installed in 1999 and again in 2001 (if i recall correctly) these computers add to performance and reliability (theoretically speaking)
cleanliness of swap (although some things dont phsically fit "flawlessly" sitting at a car show and saying you used the entire 2004 computer system to ensure a reliable, safe, and fully functional swap will probably gain some bonus points.)

fact of the matter is, if you use your 1997 harnesses, you are going to have to learn to splice it into the 2004 engine somehow... if you use 2004 harnesses, you are going to have to completely disasseble your car and figure out how to make the little things work properly... either way, its a PITA.

as i said before, i suggest using your 1997 harnesses, as it will save you alot of time and headache working on your car.

 

[DropTopPony]

This might help you.

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php/91637-My-2v-to-4v-swap-write-up

 

[JiMi_DRiX]

Yup. 98lasercobra i think is my name on there. My drive by vid isn't a very fast one though. I need to make some more. Here is the dyno vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUXBEBQH-Mg

There you are, but I guess your car isnt the one I remember. If I ever find that video again... I'll post it.

 

[KWClutch]

Yeah I used an 03 engine harness, 03 front right and front left body harness, 03 ECM (computer), 03 ECM harness (goes from ECM to front body and engine harness and 03 GAUGE harness to wire up the gauges. I spliced the 98 rear body harness and dash harness into the 03 stuff and it was VERY easy. 95 percent of the wires are color matched. You'll need to think about your fuel situation too as I believe your car is return style and Mach 1 engines are rigged for returnless.

 

[JiMi_DRiX]

Ah, is that why I see people swapping the Cobra tank into their cars with the swap? For the returnless system?

 

[KWClutch]

Yes. That's what I did.

 

[Venomous96Cobra]

God! I hate to sound like a complete prick! but it sounds like alot of work! I mean if you were doing a Termi swap that would be one thing!!! :dontknow: but you will likely run into soo many issues! wiring, electrical problem's so much time will have to be dedicated to trouble shooting problem's not to mention the money that will have to be spent in order to make the swap happen... This is how I did my swap... I sold my lightly modded 95 5.0l Gt for $4950 and paid $6000 for my 96 4v COBRA

So my swap cost me $1050 and I ended up with a pretty decent daily... car is in my signature :wink:

 

[KWClutch]

I do agree with the comment above. I wouldn't do this unless you're putting in a terminator motor.

 

[Javi]

dropping a Termy motor is a whole different thing from a NON termy 32v engine..

God! I hate to sound like a complete prick! but it sounds like alot of work! I mean if you were doing a Termi swap that would be one thing!!! :dontknow: but you will likely run into soo many issues! wiring, electrical problem's so much time will have to be dedicated to trouble shooting problem's not to mention the money that will have to be spent in order to make the swap happen... This is how I did my swap... I sold my lightly modded 95 5.0l Gt for $4950 and paid $6000 for my 96 4v COBRA

So my swap cost me $1050 and I ended up with a pretty decent daily... car is in my signature :wink:

Have you done this swap before? Evidently Not, the swap is pretty much straight forward
Its been succesfully done 1000+ times..several member on here have done it.
Please stop spreading misinfomation

Op listen to DFG_pimp, his car has the 32v in it
he knows his sh!t..

 

[KWClutch]

Yeah but Javi, it is a lot of work to do when you could spend half the money on just selling his GT and getting a Cobra. Yes it can be done and it's not insanely difficult but unless his GT is blown up I recommend just selling it and getting a Cobra.

 

[Javi]

one weekend project, alot of work?
i disagree with you..

 

[19mustang95]

This is a really basic swap. For those of you blowing out of proportion, the 2V and the 4V run basically the same electronics, and that is why the harnesses can easily be swapped between the two. The easiest way to do this swap is to keep the 2V harness, and modify a 96-98 Cobra fuel rail and stay with the stock return style setup.

And for those of you saying this swap is only cool if its an 03-04 Cobra motor. If you are actually serious about racing, the only way you are going to go fast in with a termi motor car is if you get an upgraded blower. I'd rather have a Mach 1 engine with a nitrous kit than a termi motor if i wanted to just go fast. That's why you see all these terminator owners struggling to run 12s, and i was running mid 11s on a MarkVIII motor and a 100 shot.

 

[Venomous96Cobra]

dropping a Termy motor is a whole different thing from a NON termy 32v engine..

God! I hate to sound like a complete prick! but it sounds like alot of work! I mean if you were doing a Termi swap that would be one thing!!! :dontknow: but you will likely run into soo many issues! wiring, electrical problem's so much time will have to be dedicated to trouble shooting problem's not to mention the money that will have to be spent in order to make the swap happen... This is how I did my swap... I sold my lightly modded 95 5.0l Gt for $4950 and paid $6000 for my 96 4v COBRA

So my swap cost me $1050 and I ended up with a pretty decent daily... car is in my signature :wink:

Have you done this swap before? Evidently Not, the swap is pretty much straight forward
Its been succesfully done 1000+ times..several member's on here have done it.
Please stop spreading misinfomation

Op listen to DFG_pimp, his car has the 32v in it
he knows his sh!t..

So how am I spreading mis-information? :dontknow: Everything I said is true!!! can he do this swap spending under $1000 and if so what is his time or his mechanics time worth?!? I know there are difference's between 5.0's which is what I owned and 4.6's which is what he owns! I never stated the swap would be easy or hard! I just stated that I sold my GT for $4950 which is a fact and spent an additional $1050 on a 4v 96 Cobra that came stock with a similar motor which he is looking to swap into his car! Yet another fact! Now, it's one thing if he owned and crashed a mach1 he already owned! and has the parts readilly available for the swap... What I meant was why bother with the swap when he can sell his car and get a 4v COBRA w/o having to get dirty!!! or do a failry easy swap according to you that can be done in a weekend!!! $6000 good running COBRA's are out there!!! ( LOOK AT MY SIGNATURE) had 92k when I bought her.... Hey, If he could do the swap for under $1000 more power to him! I was giving my opinion which is why I explained that I wasn't trying to sound like a prick! Nuff said...

 

[MustangChris]

Ah, is that why I see people swapping the Cobra tank into their cars with the swap? For the returnless system?

cobra tank also has baffles inside of it to prevent the pumps from being starved of fuel in high acceleration or turning. I too swapped an 03/04 cobra tank.

This is a really basic swap. For those of you blowing out of proportion, the 2V and the 4V run basically the same electronics, and that is why the harnesses can easily be swapped between the two. The easiest way to do this swap is to keep the 2V harness, and modify a 96-98 Cobra fuel rail and stay with the stock return style setup.

And for those of you saying this swap is only cool if its an 03-04 Cobra motor. If you are actually serious about racing, the only way you are going to go fast in with a termi motor car is if you get an upgraded blower. I'd rather have a Mach 1 engine with a nitrous kit than a termi motor if i wanted to just go fast. That's why you see all these terminator owners struggling to run 12s, and i was running mid 11s on a MarkVIII motor and a 100 shot.

I would put this swap at a "moderate" level... if you keep away from aftermarket parts, im sure its easier...

the biggest problem im having with my swap is the LT headers... im sure if you keep shorty headers, the swap would be much easier than mine is... im going to have to fabricate my tranny mount, my headers are pressed against the body of my car inside the engine bay, and my steering shaft wont clear the headers.... not to mention my moroso oil pan is rubbing as well... etc. etc. etc.


as for the swap only being cool with the termi motor, i disagree. It is a fun and cool swap for any 32v motor. props for being different!

but, ive never seen a terminator struggle to run 12s.... . . . .. ill just leave that one alone... lol.

 

[MustangChris]

dropping a Termy motor is a whole different thing from a NON termy 32v engine..

God! I hate to sound like a complete prick! but it sounds like alot of work! I mean if you were doing a Termi swap that would be one thing!!! :dontknow: but you will likely run into soo many issues! wiring, electrical problem's so much time will have to be dedicated to trouble shooting problem's not to mention the money that will have to be spent in order to make the swap happen... This is how I did my swap... I sold my lightly modded 95 5.0l Gt for $4950 and paid $6000 for my 96 4v COBRA

So my swap cost me $1050 and I ended up with a pretty decent daily... car is in my signature :wink:

Have you done this swap before? Evidently Not, the swap is pretty much straight forward
Its been succesfully done 1000+ times..several member's on here have done it.
Please stop spreading misinfomation

Op listen to DFG_pimp, his car has the 32v in it
he knows his sh!t..

So how am I spreading mis-information? :dontknow: Everything I said is true!!! can he do this swap spending under $1000 and if so what is his time or his mechanics time worth?!? I know there are difference's between 5.0's which is what I owned and 4.6's which is what he owns! I never stated the swap would be easy or hard! I just stated that I sold my GT for $4950 which is a fact and spent an additional $1050 on a 4v 96 Cobra that came stock with a similar motor which he is looking to swap into his car! Yet another fact! Now, it's one thing if he owned and crashed a mach1 he already owned! and has the parts readilly available for the swap... What I meant was why bother with the swap when he can sell his car and get a 4v COBRA w/o having to get dirty!!! or do a failry easy swap according to you that can be done in a weekend!!! $6000 good running COBRA's are out there!!! ( LOOK AT MY SIGNATURE) had 92k when I bought her.... Hey, If he could do the swap for under $1000 more power to him! I was giving my opinion which is why I explained that I wasn't trying to sound like a prick! Nuff said...

i agree with you... a mach1 motor will run more than 1000.00 ;-) lol. but we arent all fans of just buying cool cars... if we were, we would all have a nest egg savings account with the label "Ferrari" or "Lambo" or "bughatti" placed on it... some of us do, some of us want to "build" their own toy... learn the ins and outs... etc. etc. etc. *insert blood sweat and tears quote here*

 

[19mustang95]

I would put this swap at a "moderate" level... if you keep away from aftermarket parts, im sure its easier...

the biggest problem im having with my swap is the LT headers... im sure if you keep shorty headers, the swap would be much easier than mine is... im going to have to fabricate my tranny mount, my headers are pressed against the body of my car inside the engine bay, and my steering shaft wont clear the headers.... not to mention my moroso oil pan is rubbing as well... etc. etc. etc.


as for the swap only being cool with the termi motor, i disagree. It is a fun and cool swap for any 32v motor. props for being different!

but, ive never seen a terminator struggle to run 12s.... . . . .. ill just leave that one alone... lol.

Longtube headers are a PITA no matter what modular motor you have. 2V or 4V, 4.6 or 5.4, that install sucks a*s... the easiest way for you to have done it was to install the engine into the k-member with the headers already on and the trans bolted to the trans and lifted the car and rolled it under. The next time i install a motor, i think im going to do it that way if it has headers. i dropped in my last engine/tranny through the top and it was easy, and i did it all by myself. but i would recommend pulling the front bumper to drop it in though, it gets mighty close and this picture the engine still have to go in a couple inches further.. And you don't have to fabricate a tranny mount, you can use the same mount as a 96-98 GT or Cobra and since you have a GT you use the rear hole as the front hole for the T56 mount and you simply drill a new hole for the rear mount hole... been there, done that.

 

[1996mustangGT]

Holy Crapstorm of a thread. Long story short, its not that bad, and it is definately do-able. Everything really depends on your mechanical skill.

Just throwing out here to support DFG, there is a mach 1 with a 125 shot on slicks that does WORK at our local 1/8 mile. Kills modded termi's, no lie.

 

[Javi]

dropping a Termy motor is a whole different thing from a NON termy 32v engine..



Have you done this swap before? Evidently Not, the swap is pretty much straight forward
Its been succesfully done 1000+ times..several member's on here have done it.
Please stop spreading misinfomation

Op listen to DFG_pimp, his car has the 32v in it
he knows his sh!t..

So how am I spreading mis-information? :dontknow: Everything I said is true!!! can he do this swap spending under $1000 and if so what is his time or his mechanics time worth?!? I know there are difference's between 5.0's which is what I owned and 4.6's which is what he owns! I never stated the swap would be easy or hard! I just stated that I sold my GT for $4950 which is a fact and spent an additional $1050 on a 4v 96 Cobra that came stock with a similar motor which he is looking to swap into his car! Yet another fact! Now, it's one thing if he owned and crashed a mach1 he already owned! and has the parts readilly available for the swap... What I meant was why bother with the swap when he can sell his car and get a 4v COBRA w/o having to get dirty!!! or do a failry easy swap according to you that can be done in a weekend!!! $6000 good running COBRA's are out there!!! ( LOOK AT MY SIGNATURE) had 92k when I bought her.... Hey, If he could do the swap for under $1000 more power to him! I was giving my opinion which is why I explained that I wasn't trying to sound like a prick! Nuff said...

Nuff said?? you mentioned electrical issues. feel free to list the electrical issues he can run into.
The harnesses can be easily swapped,if you can't swap harnesses, than you need to find another hobby. This is not rocket science here fellas..

You did your 1050 swap? Is the op asking if he can accomplished this swap for under 1000? NO!!

You don't need no sticking mechanic to do this swap and yes this can be done in a weekend.

STOP spreading misinformation, you did your 1050 4v "swap" good, now let's not put your 2 cents on something You HAVE NEVER done before and think that needs a mechanic to be accomplished :tard:
And I'm not trying to be an a$$, I just don't like misinformation.

And chris, you have no room to talk, you have been doing the termy swap for the last wat? 1 year? Lol

 

[JDwhite98gt]

Hope you guys got your flame suits on

 

[1996mustangGT]

Hope you guys got your flame suits on

No joke...