4.6 cobra question

Discussion in '96-04 - 4V Specific' started by Matt94GT, Feb 20, 2006.

  1. Matt94GT

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    how and when has the 4.6 cobra motor changed from 96-03? Sorry but im a 5.0 guy, just cerious how the years stand up.
     
  2. Lightning Struck

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    96 to 98 it was rated at 305hp in 99 it got a new intake and tumble port heads to bump up the hp to 320 (Ford goofed and the cars didn't quite make that forcing the recall and the factory "Fix" to bring the cars up to the 320hp level) The motor remained the same for the 2001 model then in 03 it got new internals for the roots Eaton blower that was added for a factory rated 390hp (it actually made around 425 but ford underratted it for insurance reasons) It was the same for the 04 car as well. Times for the 96 to 98 cars are in the high 13's to flat 14's stock, the 99's run mid 13's to upper 13's stock and the 03 and 04's run mid 12's all day long with a driver that is worth a crap.
     
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    In addition to the intake and heads, the 99-up cars got coil-on-plug ignition, hence the reason for no spark plug wires or coils visible.
     
  4. Lightning Struck

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    true
     
  5. Matt94GT

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    cool thanks
     
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    Difference in engines
    B/Swirl Port: 96-98 Cobra
    The first and only production Ford head with two (square primary, round secondary) intake ports per cylinder, these swirl port castings arrived first in the ’93 Lincoln Mark VIII. Aptly named, due to the way they promoted the incoming air to swirl into the combustion chambers, much like water running down the drain of a once full sink.

    Through the years these heads have proven themselves to be excellent high rpm (8000rpm+) performersâ€â€mainly in power adder applications--since their tremendous combined intake port cross sectional area and volume (when combined, a full 55cc more than any other 4.6L head design) provide for exceptional power production in the upper regions of the tach. Ironically, it’s those same big, beautiful, twin ports that also prove to be the B head’s largest inherent design flaw. The extra intake port size has a tendency to kill low/mid rpm intake port velocity and power productionâ€â€hence the use of Ford’s first IMRC (intake manifold runner control) intake on the 96-98 Cobra. By allowing air to reach only one of a B head’s twin intake valves, velocity, and therefore low/mid range torque production was restored in situations under 3250rpm. Later head designs are clearly superior in this regard, which happens to be the one of the most important considerations for those wanting a stout street motor.

    There is also some controversy over the single fuel injector/dual intake port setup. Some claim insufficient air/fuel mixing because of the compromised design, however, others contest that the ability to make 1000+rwhp with only minor porting and some form of power adder is testament to the contrary. Whoever you believe, there is little doubt that even after as little as 8,000 miles, carbon and other deposits tend to form on the secondary ports, causing a major airflow impedance, as there is no fuel present to clean them. B heads feature a somewhat small stock exhaust port that really hinders flow in power adder applications. Major gains from porting come with a quality valve job, some pocket and lots of exhaust work. There really isn’t a lot of material to remove from the intake ports themselves.

    The Bottom Line: B heads aren’t the best choice for a naturally aspirated street motor. In order to really shine, they need to be paired with a power adder and a short block that can sustain high horsepower and rpm levels. These, the oldest heads, may still be a great choice for full race applications.

    Stock Intake Choices: ‘96-98 Cobra.
    Aftermarket/Modified Stock Intake Choices: HCI, SSR, PHP.
    B head dimensions: Combustion Chamber: 52cc, Intake Port Vol.: 107cc primary (square), 115cc secondary (round). Intake Port Entrance: 1.500x1.300†primary (square), 1.660x1.400†secondary (round), Valves: 37mm Int., 30mm Exh.

    C/Tumble Port: 99/01 Cobra,
    These second-generation Ford DOHC heads feature a single intake port per cylinder with a smaller cross sectional area that boosts incoming airflow velocity compared to previous years. To understand how C heads earn their “tumble port†designation, try to imagine an Olympic high diver doing repetitive front somersaults before cleanly entering a pool at the bottom. This controlled tumble allows for better air/fuel mixing than in the earlier swirl port heads. The new port design allowed for both substantial increases in midrange torque, and superior horsepower production under 8000rpm when compared with earlier heads. Combustion chamber size is also up 2cc.
    The design downfall of C heads, and their larger (5.4L Navigator) cousins, is the relatively flat floor and utter lack of a short turn radius in the throat of the intake port. As such, the incoming air tends to overshoot the valves, making the port think the valves are smaller than they actually are. Some ‘99/’01 Cobra owners reported a “ticking/pinging†noise coming from the drivers side head of their cars. This is due to insufficient cooling around the #6, 7, and 8 cylinders that allowed the valves to overheat and therefore seat improperly. Ford remedied the situation by issuing a TSB to remove and replace the affected heads with a version that featured altered coolant flow.
    C heads feature a small exhaust port much like Ford’s earlier swirl port heads, but unlike in B heads, both the intake (throat region) and exhaust ports can see extensive porting work. However, removing too much material from the intake port (mouth region) of a tumble port head will kill velocity very quickly, so make sure your head porter knows what they are doing!
    The Bottom Line: C heads remain a viable performance upgrade for those looking for more punch in their street driven 4.6L four valve, without having to pay new part prices for the ’03 DOHC or FR500 versions. The increased midrange torque production and greater overall area under the power curve (when compared to swirl port heads) will enhance the performance of a street/strip driven (8,000rpm and under) modular regardless of application.

    Stock Intake Choices: ‘99/’01 Cobra, ‘03/’04 Mach 1 & Aviator, ’03 Marauder, FR500.
    Aftermarket/Modified Stock Intake Choices: Al Papitto short runner/ported ‘99/’01 Cobra, Sullivan, Aviator, '03/'04 Mach 1
    C head dimensions: Combustion Chamber: 54cc, Intake Port Vol.: 177cc, Intake Port Entrance: 1.960â€Âx1.350ââ‚Â, Valves: 37mm Int., 30mm Exh.


    Also the 99+ Cobra went with a IRS rear axle verse the solid axle of the 96-98 Cobra. Here is a good link for some different links on each car
    http://scoa.org/legacy/
     
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    blackfang you have got to be the biggest know it all I have ever seen on the net, are you a private engineer for Ford or something? Its good to know a guy like you, I feel a lot better on my chances of getting any possible problems fixed with a brain as big as yours. Good job :thumb:
     
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    yea man great info yet again
     
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    LOL. Naaa, I just know where to find my resources and save them once I do come across it.

    I did work for Ford though.
     
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    You are one smart S.O.B. :thumb:
     
  11. Matt94GT

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    what did u use to do for ford?
     
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    Started off at Sales to get my foot in the door until a service spot opened. It never did so I left when a smaller repair shop made me an offer. Worked for them for a few years and then went back to the dealership. Now i am a service writer for Toyota.
     
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    you went from ford to yota? :eek:
     
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    Ford to a few smaller reapir shops on the corporate level, then to Toyota. Couldnt turn down that salary and benefits
     
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    Toyotas are awesome, I want to get a Tacoma TRD.
     
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    Wow, your doing better dollar wise with them over how you were with ford? I cant blame you, I would have swap ed also.
     
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    also the 98s supposedly have a more aggressive tune in the ECU
     
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    here just reads from svtperf :-X

    and it's not noticable
     
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    could be ::)