5.0 vs. NPI Ebuildoff thread!

[Paul]

Trying to say that a computer-generated number is empirical is hilarious.

Main Entry: em·pir·i·cal
Pronunciation: \-i-kəl\
Variant(s): also em·pir·ic \-ik\
Function: adjective
Date: 1569
1 : originating in or based on observation or experience <empirical data>
2 : relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory <an empirical basis for the theory>
3 : capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment <empirical laws>

 

[OnyxCobra]

I'm still waiting for my numbers...

 

[Paul]

Trick Flow Top End Kit from Summit: $2499.95 That replaces pretty much everything on top of the motor.

Advertised Duration (Degrees): 275 intake/279 exhaust
Duration at .050 in. Lift (Degrees): 221 intake/225 exhaust
Camshaft Lift: .312 in. intake/.319 in. exhaust
Valve Lift with 1.6 Rocker Arms: .499 in. intake/.510 in. exhaust
Lobe Separation (Degrees): 112
Intake Cam Timing at .050 in. Valve Lift:
Opens 3 degrees BTDC
Closes 38 degrees ABDC
Max lift: 108 degrees ATDC
Exhaust Cam Timing at .050 in. Valve Lift:
Opens 49 degrees BBDC
Closes 4 degrees BTDC
Max lift: 116 degrees BTDC

TFS TW Heads
2.02 intake
1.60 exhaust

.100 66/55
.200 141/102
.300 198/135
.400 240/177
.500 250/185

Home-built turbo kid made from some mild steel pipe and two used headers. <$1500 for everything. We ceramic coated it ourselves even.

MP T70 $525


The reason this thread is pointless is because UNLESS YOU RUN TWO CARS WITH TWO COMBOS ON THE SAME DAY AT THE SAME DYNO - THE COMPARISON IS USELESS.

Paul.

 

[Paul]

Now you guys are going to come up with how a PI swap used is cheaper than this stuff new, and :blah2:.

 

[justinschmidt1]

theres reasons..most likely becuase rebuilding a push rod motor is easier. They like rebuild the damn things after every run

So you don't think those guys would do the same for an OHC motor if it made more power? I think they would.

The ohc setup is supposed to have less drivetrain loss in the engine

Too bad pushrod GM motors with more displacement make more power and still get better gas mileage. They must put magical antique fairy dust in them to make it work.

Uh...WTF...my point wasnt that they need to rebuild the engines cause theyre weak man...im sure they would have to do the same tiwht ohc design.

My point was that since theyre making so much power and they need to rebuild the motors every day that the pushrod engines are easier for them to rebuild.

Theres no way you can blatantly say that gm's motors all get better gas mileage.

Compare an ss to a 4v cobra and im sure their gas mileage will be about the same since some people with cobras and 2v 4.6s claim to get like 28 mpg and shit.

I personally get terrible gas mileage

 

[jfor441]

Now you guys are going to come up with how a PI swap used is cheaper than this stuff new, and :blah2:.

:blah2: :blah2: :blah2: talking out your ass :blah2: :blah2: :blah2:

 

[justinschmidt1]

yea but who ever buys a pi swap new?

that would be stupid

 

[Javi]

 

[Paul]

The guy with the combo listed above bought his stuff used too, but if I posted the used prices, you guys would whine about it since used prices are no good for comparison.

Paul.

 

[justinschmidt1]

who listed used pi swap on here though?

 

[Paul]

Oh yeah, and when I typed that stuff into my copy of the program, it cranked out 830 hp at 6500 rpm, and 670 ft. lbs. using an Air Research T04B S-3 at 10 psi with a 700 cfm intake. Looks like that program is super accurate. :uglystupid2: Who knows, maybe I messed something up when I input it.

Paul.

 

[jfor441]

Oh yeah, and when I typed that stuff into my copy of the program, it cranked out 830 hp at 6500 rpm, and 670 ft. lbs. using an Air Research T04B S-3 at 10 psi with a 700 cfm intake. Looks like that program is super accurate. :uglystupid2: Who knows, maybe I messed something up when I input it.

Paul.

knowing the kind of crap you post you probably did mess something up.

 

[justinschmidt1]

yea he smokes a lot of herb

 

[Paul]

So put the data in yourself and show me where I went wrong.

 

[justinschmidt1]

too lazy

 

[Paul]

 

[Hellion94]

You're speaking of Mihovetz, right?

Actually no, but he's another great example. He's the PSCA Pro Street record holder.

I was talking about Steve Matusek and Kolivas/Joey Bridge. All of which are 5.4 motors.

Sorry J.R. i'll got out of your thread.

 

[Paul]

oooOOOoohh. The Aeromotive car, right? That's a neat car.

 

[Paul]

What? Nobody think that over 800 hp from a turbo HCI 302 might be a bit far-fetched? C'mon! This is empirical computer-generated data! :hammer:

Paul.

 

[justinschmidt1]

whys that 5.0 revving to like 10k?

the numbers might be right if it was only revving to like 5500-6k haha