94 GT 351 vs 95 GT TURBO.....opinion on who will see tail lights?

[Stopsign32v]

My friend is building his 94 GT and putting in a carbed 351W (possibly stroked but won't tell me). I know he is running dart heads. He says it will be a 500hp motor. :blah2: Well I just got my car back and it makes 480rwhp and 506rwtq. We were leaving the track and he motioned for me to get on it. So I gave him and his wife a 3rd gear pull then let off. He then tells his wife his car will run like that all motor. Its going to be a friendly race, we are more like brothers than friends. But I don't see his 351 car running like mine all motor. Who do you guys think will win the race? It will more than likely be from a roll or it could be from a dead stop with slicks and skinnies on both cars. Drivers are very equal too with a slight advantage to me. Opinions on the outcome?

 

[monkeydude3]

I don't see the horsepowers being that different between you two... then again I don't know A LOT about N/A compared to boosted, but it sounds like it will be very close. You have many more factors, traction, temp outside, again driving quality. Since I don't forsee any huge stakes on it, just race um and see what happens... maybe make a video to share here, I know how much we all hate Mustang racing videos!

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[OnyxCobra]

I'm not really good with these things but I think you'll take him. 480whp seems like a lot to get out of an n/a 351 unless it is built very aggressively. I recently saw a video of a 306 running all motor 550whp and ran a high 9 i believe, but it was basically an all out drag car and isn't something you'd want to drive on the street, probably turned crazy RPM too.

 

[Lightning Struck]

talk is just that ' talk' its hard to get 500hp off motor alone. It can be done but you got to have the right combo of cam / heads/ intake/ static compression / timing....... time will tell how this pans out. Once he gets his in you know how to find out

 

[5litrarag]

If he knows anything about what he is doing, it wont be hard to get not just 500 hp, but 500 TO THE WHEELS.
Chances are he is gonna do a stroker. If its in the 377+ c.u. neighborhood all he'll need is the right head and a big carb to get to his goal.

I just bought a 351 block that I'm gonna do an N/A stroker setup in and I'm FULLY expecting to see 450+ to the wheels and its gonna be a door-rattling monster either.

If you guys need help justifying how easy it is look in this thread... http://www.sn95forums.com/forum/index.php?topic=15443.msg233992#msg233992 His combo is very simple and he is nearly making the same power as your blower setup Stopsign and to be honest I still think there is a good amount left on the table that could be pulled out with some tuning.

or you can look on the Corral or Hardcore5.0 boards. 500+ hp 351 combos are very easy with a little knowledge.

But like you guys said its all talk until he gets started.

 

[Stopsign32v]

If he knows anything about what he is doing, it wont be hard to get not just 500 hp, but 500 TO THE WHEELS.
Chances are he is gonna do a stroker. If its in the 377+ c.u. neighborhood all he'll need is the right head and a big carb to get to his goal.

If you guys need help justifying how easy it is look in this thread... http://www.sn95forums.com/forum/index.php?topic=15443.msg233992#msg233992 His combo is very simple and he is nearly making the same power as your blower setup Stopsign and to be honest I still think there is a good amount left on the table that could be pulled out with some tuning.

Dude you think 500rwhp is "easy" to get out of a 351? ??? I don't know a ton about carbed cars but that guys 410cid is making the rwhp I make (technically 0.56 less than me) 1,600RPMS higher than I do. And he makes 78rwtq LESS than me 200RPMS higher than me. Needless to say I don't plan on this 351W outrunning my little 302.

 

[5litrarag]

If he knows anything about what he is doing, it wont be hard to get not just 500 hp, but 500 TO THE WHEELS.
Chances are he is gonna do a stroker. If its in the 377+ c.u. neighborhood all he'll need is the right head and a big carb to get to his goal.

If you guys need help justifying how easy it is look in this thread... http://www.sn95forums.com/forum/index.php?topic=15443.msg233992#msg233992 His combo is very simple and he is nearly making the same power as your blower setup Stopsign and to be honest I still think there is a good amount left on the table that could be pulled out with some tuning.

Dude you think 500rwhp is "easy" to get out of a 351? ??? I don't know a ton about carbed cars but that guys 410cid is making the rwhp I make (technically 0.56 less than me) 1,600RPMS higher than I do. And he makes 78rwtq LESS than me 200RPMS higher than me. Needless to say I don't plan on this 351W outrunning my little 302.

Yes I do...

And like I said in my prior post, "I still think there is a good amount left on the table that could be pulled out with some tuning.

or you can look on the Corral or Hardcore5.0 boards. 500+ hp 351 combos are very easy with a little knowledge."


And to prove my point further I'll make sure to detail what goes into my carb'd 351-based stroker and what it makes. Like I said I FULLY expect 450+ at the wheels. And with what I have on paper already the expectation is for it to make 600+ at the flywheel. I think that's nearly 500 at the wheels even with 20% loss. :thumb:

 

[Stopsign32v]

Well his combo will be pump gas street car so I doubt he will make what I make.

 

[Matt94GT]

hurmm i dont he will see those numbers from a 351 with no boost?

 

[5litrarag]

Well his combo will be pump gas street car...

So will mine.

My guess is we'll never see or hear about this guy's car anyway. But its all good...

What I'm saying is not out of the realm of possibility.

 

[5litrarag]

Here's a couple examples of stroker 351 setups that can make big numbers...

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=954517


http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=951110

 

[speedfreek95gt]

I think alot will have to do with how you run the race. Personally, I hate this "from a roll" crap. Most of the imports where I'm at will sit and rev the hell out of their car behind you but won't even look at you when they're next to you at a light. If you're not pushin 50mph, they won't bother. Drag racing is and always has been from a dig. I'm not a big turbo fan at all, I like superchargers and the bottle, but more so N/A. I would tell him if you're going to run them, it's from a dig, have a good set of DR's and give it all the 2 of you have. If he wants to run from a roll, tell him to go run some turbo Hondas. Offer him lengths if he's going to have that much trouble keeping up with you. If he knows it's going to be THAT close (based on the hp #'s you're thinking) it won't hurt him to drag race like it's supposed to be done! If the output #'s are going to be that close, I would say its 50/50....the both of you have a good shot at winning. It's going to come down to traction and driver skill for one to overtake the other. Good luck!

 

[Paul]

I have a 422 ci Windsor stroker in my 94 GT, and I can tell you definitively that unless you screw up the launch REALLY bad, he is going to see taillights. He would have to have a seriously nasty 351 to make 480 rwhp. Period.

Paul.

 

[5litrarag]

I have a 422 ci Windsor stroker in my 94 GT, and I can tell you definitively that unless you screw up the launch REALLY bad, he is going to see taillights. He would have to have a seriously nasty 351 to make 480 rwhp. Period.

Paul.

Whats your combo and how much does it make?

And yes a 351 does need to be plenty nasty to get to that level. But what about a carb'd stroker 351-based setup? Which is the direction that his car could potentially go into.

 

[Lightning Struck]

air flow is the key to making big power on the n/a motors, like I said its going to be hard to make 500 naturaly aspirated hp on a 351 ( even with a stroked version up to a 408 or whatever) Not saying it cant be done of course, you just need the right combo and some KILLER heads. We have a YATES headed red coupe here ( dont know what the dyno is on it ) but it has about the best heads on any street car around here. Those heads were over 3k

 

[tommybunz]

depends on the revs cause he will take off much faster you have to spool up with turbo. my thought personally he will win.

thats also cause i have a 351w haha.

 

[Stopsign32v]

depends on the revs cause he will take off much faster you have to spool up with turbo. my thought personally he will win.

thats also cause i have a 351w haha.

He is gonna spin it to 7,000rpms he says.


And you are right about the launch. My car will definately bog off the 2-step while building boost. :

 

[Stopsign32v]

I have a 422 ci Windsor stroker in my 94 GT, and I can tell you definitively that unless you screw up the launch REALLY bad, he is going to see taillights. He would have to have a seriously nasty 351 to make 480 rwhp. Period.

Paul.

I think you're right. How good are dart heads? I think he will stroke it out to a 393 and I believe on motor his car will make around 430rwhp.

 

[5litrarag]

I have a 422 ci Windsor stroker in my 94 GT, and I can tell you definitively that unless you screw up the launch REALLY bad, he is going to see taillights. He would have to have a seriously nasty 351 to make 480 rwhp. Period.

Paul.

I think you're right. How good are dart heads? I think he will stroke it out to a 393 and I believe on motor his car will make around 430rwhp.

depends on what dart head you're talking about. They are pretty decent and should make good power.
With good compression and the right cam, intake and properly sized LT header he'll make that 430 number with ease and not have to spin it past 6500.

 

[95Grandtouring5.0]

It's all talk until it happens. Run him and find out.