Daughter just bought an '02, says, "it's a slug."

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She bought it from her in-laws. Original owners. Very well maintained car. Automatic. Just not as peppy as she thought that it would be. Can these be "chip-tuned" for better performance? Will it run significantly better using premium?
 

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The biggest difference you will feel is probably going to be gears. Some 3.73's or 4.10's will wake it up a little.

Even with full bolt ons and a tune your looking at about 260-280whp.

A tune alone on an otherwise stock car won't make much if any difference.
 
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What gears does it most likely have from the factory?
 

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No. A chip or handheld tuner won't make THAT much of a difference; a few REAL RWHP at the most. It may feel a bit peppier but it's not going to be like 125 shot of the juice or 10 psi from some form of forced induction. If you modify it with the full round of bolt-on equipment, THEN tune it to all work together you will notice a fair difference. HCI combo will make a real difference but that is a lot of work/expense. Without getting into a long, drawn-out discussion on octane, compression ratio, air/fuel ratio, premium fuel won't make it have more horsepower. You can tune it with a handheld tuner for a premium fuel tune but it really won't make much RWHP difference. The computer controls the timing and if senses knock, it will pull timing until the knock goes away thus negating the benefits of advancing the timing and using a premium/higher octane fuel. @Patientzero is correct with a gear change. If you don't mind the extra RPM @ cruising/freeway speed, a set of 3:73's will help it out in the "peppy" department. It won't add any HP but it will take less of what you have to get it going. IMO, 4:10's are a bit too much for a driver unless you have a TALL 6th gear OD. I know people who put 4:10's in New Edge ('99-'04) Mustangs with the automatic transmissions and had shifting troubles until the tuned it to play well with the new gearing. If you go with a gear change, unless you do that kind of work everyday, hire a professional to do it or plan on chasing a whine, grind, or all types of other aggravations as there is an art as well as a science to properly setting up a rear end gear. Also, your speedometer will be off so plan to rectify that. This is for your daughter, correct? IMO, leave it stock down to the air pressure in the tires, LOL! In the long run, life will be soooo much better for you AND her if you do especially if you're footing the bill. If she insists (Believe me; I know the power of the pouty lip and big, blue, puppy-dog eyes crying"Pleeeeease, Daddy") a handheld tuner will improve the shift points of the transmission and firm up the shifting, add a little throttle response, and make it feel a little more "peppy" without breaking the bank or sending you down the rabbit hole of chasing bolt-on performance from which there is no return. If this is like a father/daughter project and you really want to wake the little 4.6 up, buy a forced induction "kit" from any reputable manufacturer (supercharging is probably easier). They've done the homework, math, testing, etc. and know what to include in a comprehensive package that usually includes the tuner to make it all work well together. Yes, it is more expensive this way but trust me when I say that it's a WHOLE lot better than buying parts to do this kind of thing, one-by-one, then finding out that you missed one or this doesn't work with that and having to take it all apart (AGAIN) to try and fix it. Ask me how I know, LOL! Just my opinion and I'm sure others will vary.
 
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"IMO, leave it stock down to the air pressure in the tires, LOL! In the long run, life will be soooo much better for you AND her if you do...."

I was just asking because she seemed surprised that it wasn't quicker than it is. I doubt that she will change a single thing on it and if she does, her hubby will do it. As for the fuel question, I knew that knock sensors were part of timing control but I just wondered if she would feel a "seat of the pants" difference if she ran premium versus the regular that I suspect she's running now.
 

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Well, you guys covered a lot, except one thing- its an automatic.

Ford OE tuning for autos sucks.

YES get a tune. NOT FROM AMERICAN MUSCLE. Does it boost the power a ton? God no. but it by far improves the shift points, kickdowns, and pressure when shifting. Plus a tuner will either be needed if they go FI in the future, or change to a cobra/S197/S550 model. No loss there.

And no point in using premium- it wont make any difference.
 

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As for the fuel question, I knew that knock sensors were part of timing control but I just wondered if she would feel a "seat of the pants" difference if she ran premium versus the regular that I suspect she's running now.
Naaah...In my experience dealing with Mustangs beginning in the late '70's, since the advent of fuel injection in the '86 Mustang, premium fuel does not make a difference in the actual performance or perceived performance of the car. Of course that does not include the later models that came from the factory requiring premium fuel or the owner "built" engines with higher than stock compression, advance timing, etc. that would require higher octane fuel top keep it from spark-rattling. In a stock-ish engine Mustang, premium fuel won't make a difference. In some of the earlier (pre-'86) vintage fox-body Mustangs, spark-rattle (pre-detonation) would rob performance so premium fuel would help eliminate that but it didn't add any power; just helped restore what it was losing.
 

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Does the "well maintained" include tune ups? If not I'd start with a new set of plugs and fuel filter. It won't set the clocks on fire, but it might get a little bit of pep back.

From there I'd go with gears as mentioned. They make a noticable difference.
 

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Another thing to check is that it actually has a ford intake manifold, that will definitely rob power if it has anything else. My 98 p71 had a dorman intake and it still felt pretty quick but you could tell because it stopped pulling at like 3k rpms.
 

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Tell her to be happy she didn’t buy a ‘96 to 98 model. Then she would truly know a dog. As others have said, confirm it’s a ford intake. After that, go swap out the gears. Or just keep it stock and enjoy it for what it is. It can be made to go fast, but it’ll cost ya.
 

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02 factory intake would still be a plastic crossover, the aluminum didn't start til 03. If it's aluminum crossover, make sure it's a Ford intake.
 

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I bought a 99' and thought it was a bit sluggish also. I tried a few things (dual exhaust, CAI) neither of which did much. Then I read a thread about the throttle cable not allowing for WOT due to slack at the pedal. Checked that out and found almost 3/4" of slack. Re-adjusted the cable and now I get WOT and it's a pretty peppy car for a V6. Give it a look.
 

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Well, you guys covered a lot, except one thing- its an automatic.


Ford OE tuning for autos sucks.


Tell her to be happy she didn’t buy a ‘96 to 98 model. Then she would truly know a dog.


I’ve had my 94 since 98, and back when it was a v6 (swapped in 08) if you floored it, it would question your motives. Like, rather than go, it would just coast around asking if you knew what you were doing, and was sure, because it didn’t know if it had enough pep to make it to the next light if I truly wanted to floor it. I found that asking it politely, and remembering to say please and thank you helped a little with that 3 second delay, but to be honest, what helped was not flooring it. Just using the throttle at a little less than that. It seemed to not question my motives, and felt fast enough, even for 145hp.


Make sure all the coils are good. It could be running on less than 8 cylinders, very very common.


Due to the age, this, and all the regular tune up maintenance. Spark plugs, spark plug wires, air filter, oil change, run sea foam through it, etc. I recall once, about 5 years ago, my car ran like a dog with worms. You didn’t want to pull in front of anyone. It was as fast as a lawn mower. Had to take to to a professional because I was just flat out stumped. Needed a new MAF sensor. No code. But I bought the part myself, and it helped.
 

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Tune will help , will it add 50 hp no , will it cut few tenths off your ET definitely , will the car drive alot better and shift alot better if its an auto hell yes
 

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02 Stock....

$1000 will get her a CAI, Catback, and Plenum (BBK). Have a shop do a quick tune and it’ll speed it up for her and it will sound good.

Headers, X-pipe, and more in-depth tune can wait.

My opinion


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